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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:36 pm to doubleb
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:36 pm to doubleb
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If that was all it took there never would have been a war.
If the US had said, years back, that Ukraine would not be allowed in NATO then there probably never would have been a war.
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:37 pm to SirWinston
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The same Deep State that brought us Iraq 2.0, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, and Covid brought us this Ukraine nonsense
No one forced, trucked or whatever got Putin to invade Ukraine. He wanted it back, it’s plain and simple.
Do you think any outsiders control him? It was his decision.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:37 pm to Lee B
Reuters...
US long-range bombs headed to Ukraine as ATACMS supply dwindles
GLSDB upgrades counter Russian jamming, enhancing effectiveness
Ukraine's ATACMS supply depleted, GLSDBs to fill gap
GLSDBs developed by SAAB and Boeing, tested for resilience
WASHINGTON, March 13 (Reuters) - The U.S. is poised to resume shipments to Ukraine of long-range bombs known as Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bombs (GLSDB), after they were upgraded to better counter Russian jamming, two people familiar with the weapon told Reuters.
The munitions will arrive amid reports that Ukraine's supply of similarly-ranged Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) has been depleted.
The glide-bombs were purchased under the U.S. administration of former President Joe Biden using the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative. The U.S. has bought nearly $33.2 billion worth of new arms and military equipment for Kyiv directly from U.S. and allied defense contractors.
US long-range bombs headed to Ukraine as ATACMS supply dwindles
GLSDB upgrades counter Russian jamming, enhancing effectiveness
Ukraine's ATACMS supply depleted, GLSDBs to fill gap
GLSDBs developed by SAAB and Boeing, tested for resilience
WASHINGTON, March 13 (Reuters) - The U.S. is poised to resume shipments to Ukraine of long-range bombs known as Ground-Launched Small Diameter Bombs (GLSDB), after they were upgraded to better counter Russian jamming, two people familiar with the weapon told Reuters.
The munitions will arrive amid reports that Ukraine's supply of similarly-ranged Army Tactical Missile Systems (ATACMS) has been depleted.
The glide-bombs were purchased under the U.S. administration of former President Joe Biden using the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative. The U.S. has bought nearly $33.2 billion worth of new arms and military equipment for Kyiv directly from U.S. and allied defense contractors.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:39 pm to Lee B
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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You can’t really expect the Ukrainians to conduct an insurrection in the manner the Afghans did against the Soviets. For starters, the rugged, mountainous terrain in Afghanistan lends itself to an insurrection. Also, in Afghanistan you have a religious fanatical element to draw upon, not just from Afghanistan itself, but the larger Islamic world as well.
Meanwhile, Ukraine is basically flat as a table and already is scraping the bottom of the barrel from a manpower standpoint with a high level of reluctance in its remaining military age population to lay down their life in defense of their country. Basically, the vast majority of those willing to fight for Ukraine have already stepped up to the plate. What’s left over isn’t much, certainly not enough to sustain a long insurrection.
But an insurrection is not necessarily a full-time job... you just go about your life and take advantage of situations for sabotage, etc. Or just aide those who are doing things with info, etc. What the US went through in Vietnam...
It's what makes occupations basically untenable in this day and age.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:43 pm to Stinger_1066
an automated response? Well, the AI certainly gets it...
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:44 pm to doubleb
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If that was all it took there never would have been a war.
Then why didn't NATO and the West give the guarantee in 2022?
They refused. There was no serious negotiation to prevent the war.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:55 pm to DMAN1968
quote:quote:If the US had said, years back, that Ukraine would not be allowed in NATO then there probably never would have been a war.
If that was all it took there never would have been a war.
And if the U.S. had said, years back, that Ukraine would be promptly admitted into NATO (admittedly, that may have required some pretty dire U.S. threats to Hungary and maybe Turkey), then there almost certainly never would have been a war.
Putin is a thug and fundamentally a bully trying to steal the lunch money of the neighbor kid who has no strong friends. Putin would have done it first to the Baltic states, but they're NATO members, so he knows he'd get his arse kicked. His message to his neighbors who don't have strong friends (i.e. aren't NATO members) is, 'Tow my line and run in my orbit, or we'll take you over.' Belarus runs in his orbit. Ukraine is taking the brunt of his aggression. Georgia is scared.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:56 pm to Darth_Vader
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Honestly, I can’t say. The only sign of sanity I’ve seen from the West in the past three years happened just today, namely Trump cutting off Russian oil from Europe. It boggles my mind Europe has been buying oil from Russia all this time. They claim to “stand” with Ukraine. That’s laughable.
But Trump is a Russian stooge!!!
You are 100% right again. This should have been done years ago.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 4:59 pm to AU86
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Then why didn't NATO and the West give the guarantee in 2022?
They refused. There was no serious negotiation to prevent the war.
You mean to prevent the war that Putin kept insisting was not about to happen when people were pointing to the buildup of troops on the border?
When were they supposed to prevent it, when it wasn't going to happen and everybody was just overreacting and being paranoid about military exercises?
This was not a failure of diplomacy. This was Putin doing something he'd long decided to do and put in motion years earlier when he thought the time was right.
He didn't get his puppets in office and he was pissed about it.
That's the only reason this happened.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:01 pm to AU86
I watched the blonde press chick be asked about the expiration of the oil thing by a reporter and she looked like a deer in the headlights and stammered out a non-answer.
I honestly think Trump and his staff didn't even realize it happened.
I honestly think Trump and his staff didn't even realize it happened.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:06 pm to NOLATiger163
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And if the U.S. had said, years back, that Ukraine would be promptly admitted into NATO (admittedly, that may have required some pretty dire U.S. threats to Hungary and maybe Turkey), then there almost certainly never would have been a war.
Putin is a thug and fundamentally a bully trying to steal the lunch money of the neighbor kid who has no strong friends. Putin would have done it first to the Baltic states, but they're NATO members, so he knows he'd get his arse kicked. His message to his neighbors who don't have strong friends (i.e. aren't NATO members) is, 'Tow my line and run in my orbit, or we'll take you over.' Belarus runs in his orbit. Ukraine is taking the brunt of his aggression. Georgia is scared.
Yep...
Some in Georgia are scared, but there's non-stop protests from people who want to move out of Russia's orbit and join the EU...
Armenia is scared... Russia no longer has the time to bother protecting them from Azerbaijan and they're also scared Russia will just cut to the chase and re-absorb them, too...
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:08 pm to AU86
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The Russian army is growing in numbers. Russia can replace their losses. Ukraine is not. Putin hasn't even conducted but one mobilization of 300,000 troops.
If Russia has no trained troops why hasn't Ukraine been able to stop them? The estimates are 700,000 Russians in Ukraine and Ukraine claims 700-800,00 troops.
If what you say is true who has been driving Ukraine backwards for 24+ months?
Mass has its own force. Training is very little at all for Russian soldiers, they learn how to shoot a gun and not much more.
Pushing at actually slower than a snail traveling 24/7 isn't what I would call driving Ukraine backwards.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:12 pm to NOLATiger163
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And if the U.S. had said, years back, that Ukraine would be promptly admitted into NATO (admittedly, that may have required some pretty dire U.S. threats to Hungary and maybe Turkey), then there almost certainly never would have been a war.
Not if before Orban and Putin had cut a deal for Hungary to get natural gas and crude oil below market price for Hungary.
For Turkey, Turks own a lot of agricultural businesses in Ukraine, including most of the seed oil plants and is the nation which most of the Ukrainian sunflower oil is sold through. It's extremely popular in that entire area of the Middle East.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:21 pm to CitizenK
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If what you say is true who has been driving Ukraine backwards for 24+ months?
We've discussed this here a lot...
What has been driving Ukraine backwards for 24+ months is Russians shelling a village to foot-high piles of rubble, and the Ukraines then have to retreat because they have no place to hide and are sitting ducks. At the same time, Russian bodies are made to charge them until they run out of ammo every day.
I have a buddy I've mentioned who joined the Ukrainian army for a year. He spent most of that in Bakhmut. He says some days it would get to the point of sidearms before it got dark, since the Russians don't have nightvision... just all day waves and waves of guys who get mowed down. And the first time they'd used all the ammo and were down to handguns he was nervous for a minute that this might be it... until he was shooting Russians close enough to see that they were only armed with bats and sticks.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:26 pm to Darth_Vader
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The thing about a stalemate is they’re usually broken all of sudden. Look at the Western Front in WWI. From the fall of 1914 until the summer of 1918 it saw little movement. Really the biggest movement during that time was when the Germans launched their “Kaiser” offensives in Spring 1918. But the German push eventually petered out and the stalemate held. It wasn’t until the fall of 1918 that the German Army began to disintegrate due to the fact the Allies were pumping more and more men into the meat grinder while Germany had reached the end of its strength from a manpower standpoint.
Man. This thread is 1000% better when trolls are spamming it with 50 twitter links a day.
Edited: this thread is 1000% better when trolls aren’t spamming.
Messed up kind of an important word.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:29 pm to CitizenK
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Not if before Orban and Putin had cut a deal for Hungary to get natural gas and crude oil below market price for Hungary.
For Turkey, Turks own a lot of agricultural businesses in Ukraine, including most of the seed oil plants and is the nation which most of the Ukrainian sunflower oil is sold through. It's extremely popular in that entire area of the Middle East.
Orban has long been a Putin sympathizer, though... strongmen need other strongmen... and he's long been a problem from the EU and NATO.
Turkey... sits in the middle of Europe and the East, physically, and in every other sense.
I don't think that they play both sides as much as aren't on either, really...
But Erdogan is another strongmen... nobody wants to be the only strongman standing, as that usually means everybody else turns their attention to ousting you.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:38 pm to ned nederlander
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Man. This thread is 1000% better when trolls are spamming it with 50 twitter links a day.
I'm almost concerned... did Putin get angry at Trump letting the oil carveout expire and have that entire bot farm fall out of windows?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 5:42 pm to Darth_Vader
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You obviously don't know the history of Russia and Finland... they have always considered it Russian, and its people Russian, and want to reclaim it... invaded it in WWII, which actually went a lot like Ukraine is going now, and they ended up with a chunk of it... mess with it all the time. It just got a much earlier start on establishing itself as a separate entity and defends itself better.
Finland was literally part of Russia for a little over a century until it gained its independence in 1917 as the Russian Empire collapsed. Ironically, it was around this same time Ukraine declared its independence from Russia. But, while Finland was able to sustain its independence, despite Soviet efforts to reclaim it, Ukraine was reconquered by 1922 and would relain under Soviet control for the next 69 years.
Yep.
You know it. I don't know if he did based on his comment.
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