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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:55 am to doubleb
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:55 am to doubleb
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even if you know they won’t accept your offer.
Terms you know someone won't accept are meaningless.
Is offering $1000 for a new Toyota Tundra a meaningful offer? Of course it isn't. Its laughable to pretend otherwise.
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Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:57 am to VolSquatch
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If tweet fails to load, click here. As I told Lee B at least two days ago if you want Russia's demands look at what Putin said on June 2024.
No surprise to that. Russia has been stating those terms for months.
Those are the exact same proposals that Putin announced in June 14, 2024. Those are Russia's demands. They are not going to change.
BTW: Demilitarized means an Ukrainian army of 85,000.
If you want peace that is what you will have to accept.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 8:59 am to VolSquatch
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If you are offering a peace you know your opponent won't agree to, are you really offering peace?
It's just a ceasefire being brokered by Trump to get both sides to the bargaining table.
Yes that exposes Russia like a mofo to be disingenuous about wanting peace
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:01 am to AU86
Trump has already stated that he will arm Ukraine to the teeth if Russia doesn't negotiate in good faith
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:04 am to CitizenK
Well he better get ready because that is about as good of terms as he is going to get from Russia.
If he goes down that path is there anything that hasn't been given or that is left that will make a difference?
If Ukraine says no to those terms, he can pull out and walk now.
Each day that passes this is going to be construed now as Trump's war. If he chooses to continue this debacle he has to know that what he has left to throw at Russia must be brutal enough to bring them to the table quickly or he is going to be saddled with this loss. I don't believe that the sticks that he has left are big enough to halt the Russians.
Trump needs to walk now.
If he goes down that path is there anything that hasn't been given or that is left that will make a difference?
If Ukraine says no to those terms, he can pull out and walk now.
Each day that passes this is going to be construed now as Trump's war. If he chooses to continue this debacle he has to know that what he has left to throw at Russia must be brutal enough to bring them to the table quickly or he is going to be saddled with this loss. I don't believe that the sticks that he has left are big enough to halt the Russians.
Trump needs to walk now.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 9:22 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:04 am to CitizenK
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:09 am to cypher
sounds familiar somehow....
Putin aide claims NATO 'threatens' Russia in Baltic
by Tim Zadorozhnyy March 13, 2025 3:07 PM
Russian presidential aide Nikolai Patrushev claimed on March 13 that NATO is deliberately "escalating" tensions in the Baltic region, portraying the alliance as a threat to Russia's security.
His comments come amid NATO's warnings that Russia may be ramping up hybrid operations in the region. Several undersea cables were damaged in recent months, leading the alliance to increase its presence in the Baltic Sea.
Speaking to National Defense, a Russian military and political magazine, Patrushev alleged that NATO's naval forces are working to "block" Russia in the Baltic while ignoring diplomatic engagement with Moscow.
Patrushev further accused the alliance, particularly the U.K., of provoking instability in the region. "The forecast of the situation in the Baltic allows us to draw attention to the deliberate fomentation of regional tensions by the naval forces of European countries of the alliance," he said.
Patrushev also claimed, without evidence, that NATO is conducting cyberattacks on Russian ships' navigation systems to create maritime emergencies, including accidents and infrastructure failures.
The Kyiv Independent
Putin aide claims NATO 'threatens' Russia in Baltic
by Tim Zadorozhnyy March 13, 2025 3:07 PM
Russian presidential aide Nikolai Patrushev claimed on March 13 that NATO is deliberately "escalating" tensions in the Baltic region, portraying the alliance as a threat to Russia's security.
His comments come amid NATO's warnings that Russia may be ramping up hybrid operations in the region. Several undersea cables were damaged in recent months, leading the alliance to increase its presence in the Baltic Sea.
Speaking to National Defense, a Russian military and political magazine, Patrushev alleged that NATO's naval forces are working to "block" Russia in the Baltic while ignoring diplomatic engagement with Moscow.
Patrushev further accused the alliance, particularly the U.K., of provoking instability in the region. "The forecast of the situation in the Baltic allows us to draw attention to the deliberate fomentation of regional tensions by the naval forces of European countries of the alliance," he said.
Patrushev also claimed, without evidence, that NATO is conducting cyberattacks on Russian ships' navigation systems to create maritime emergencies, including accidents and infrastructure failures.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:14 am to AU86
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Those are the exact same proposals that Putin announced on June 14, 2024. Those are Russia's demands. They are not going to change.
Heck, they were saying that in 2022. Just more evidence that all of this was nothing but a blood sacrifice for defense contractor dollars and to "weaken" Russia
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:17 am to VolSquatch
Sounds like the only options are capitulation, or significantly increasing aid and killing more Russians.
Like anyone with a brain has been saying since 2022.
Like anyone with a brain has been saying since 2022.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 9:17 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:26 am to VolSquatch
He publicly announced those on June 14, 2024.
They are similar/based on the Istanbul Agreement of 2022 but now includes more territory lost.
The 85,000 number is exactly what was called on in the Istanbul Agreements.
Ukraine could have had this in 2022 but would have lost less territory.
Biden and Johnson told them no.
This is by far the best article that I have found on the Istanbul Agreement of 2022.
LINK
The Zelensky Bros are going to call this surrender but they are the best terms Ukraine is going to get.
They are similar/based on the Istanbul Agreement of 2022 but now includes more territory lost.
The 85,000 number is exactly what was called on in the Istanbul Agreements.
Ukraine could have had this in 2022 but would have lost less territory.
Biden and Johnson told them no.
This is by far the best article that I have found on the Istanbul Agreement of 2022.
LINK
The Zelensky Bros are going to call this surrender but they are the best terms Ukraine is going to get.
This post was edited on 3/13/25 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:26 am to CitizenK
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Trump has already stated that he will arm Ukraine to the teeth if Russia doesn't negotiate in good faith
That requires rational interpretation. Trump may say that's a reasonable request.
We know, Russia Superfans and normal people that Putin is untrustworthy and will continue working to bring down Russian political opposition within Ukraine. They will then re-absorb Ukraine or install a puppet ala Belarus.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:37 am to John Barron
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:45 am to John Barron
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:51 am to AU86
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Those are Russia's demands. They are not going to change.
I think those demands would change if Russia also gets those demands, whether by force or by concession.
It will be very interesting to see if Trump does anything other than walk and force Ukrainian capitulation.
Putin would likely get 80% of those demands in a peace deal. Putin’s risk here is overplaying a hand and finding a different set of facts in the ground in 6 months, 12 months, etc.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:54 am to John Barron
Posted on 3/13/25 at 9:56 am to Hateradedrink
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Sounds like the only options are capitulation, or significantly increasing aid and killing more Russians.
I think you are ignoring the part where if we don't negotiate an end to the war, then either Russia just goes home (unlikely) or they take the rest of Ukraine. Eventually one of the two will have to happen.
Which is more likely to occur first? I would say its probably the side dragging people off the street to go to the front having their lines collapse.
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:04 am to ned nederlander
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Putin’s risk here is overplaying a hand and finding a different set of facts in the ground in 6 months, 12 months, etc.
Based on the realities on the ground today what are the realistic chances of that happening?
Things could be much worse for Ukraine in that time also. If Trump doesn't adopt the Biden policy of continuing to throw weapons into Ukraine their army will be on the verge of collapse or done so already in 6 months.
Trump is not going to go down that road.
What do we have left to throw at Russia that could change the realities on the ground?
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:05 am to Coeur du Tigre
Posted on 3/13/25 at 10:06 am to AU86
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What do we have left to throw at Russia that could change the realities on the ground?
There are lunatics in this thread that want the US to drop nukes on Russia. Seriously
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