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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:47 pm to AU86
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:47 pm to AU86
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1. Ukraine has a manpower problem. They are not even meeting replacement numbers.
2. The replacements that they are getting are poorly trained. They are deserting and running for their lives.
3. Ukraine has a strategy/General problem. Their strategy for the last 2+ years has been to stay and defend an area too long without pulling back. There are numerous examples of this. They have played right into the strategy of what the Russians refer to as demilitarization and de-Nazification. That means destroying Ukraine's army. Russia has been far more interested in achieving that than they are in regards to gaining territory. That is how Grant won in the Civil War. He fixated on destroying the ANV instead of taking Richmond. Before him it was the opposite.
That fiasco in Kursk is a perfect example. Thousands of casualties and losses of equipment and for what? Nothing.
None of that is incorrect... except Kursk made ordinary Russians stop feeling invincible and removed from the War.
But Russia is suffering heavy casualties,too... and losing equipment... and losing other things through drone strikes inside Russia that add up.
The US was winning in Vietnam, with no economic disruption or sizable international opposition or equipment problems... until it wasn't. Russia was winning in Afghanistan... until it wasn't. The US won in Afghanistan... until we left 20 years later and it went right back to what it was before we invaded.
It's written in articles about this, no matter how dire the forecast for Ukraine is, that "at the end of the day, Ukraine doesn't have to win, they just have to not lose." As long as Ukraine still exists, it still exists. If they end up with only half of their country... they've done as good as South Korea.
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Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:48 pm to Lee B
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Lee B
I hope you guys who have been calling Trump "Putin's cuck" enjoy the taste of crow.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:56 pm to Lee B
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The US won in Afghanistan... until we left 20 years later and it went right back to what it was before we invaded.
The Taliban actually broke the terms of the agreement with Trump multiple times during Biden. The Afghan army had been trained to use US air strikes as support, much like the US military uses its domination in any airspace.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:57 pm to Stinger_1066
He has to be the dumbest motherfricker on the planet.
He is deranged.
He is deranged.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:58 pm to Lee B
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None of that is incorrect... except Kursk made ordinary Russians stop feeling invincible and removed from the War.
Was it worth a few thousand Russians not feeling invisible worth it? It was a flawed strategy in regards to timing. If they were going to do it they should have done it in the summer if 2023 instead of that disastrous offensive that they had no chance on. They should have made a faint in the South and went all in on Kursk then.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 5:59 pm to Stinger_1066
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hope you guys who have been calling Trump "Putin's cuck" enjoy the taste of crow.
How is Trump going to get Putin to the table? An agreement has been reached with Ukraine, so how now will Trump force Putin to play ball? More sanctions? More military support to Ukraine? The deal with Ukraine is worth nothing and Trump doesn't really care about peace?
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:05 pm to Lee B
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So the pause was to get Ukraine's attention to make them propose a ceasefire that Putin is never going to agree with...
Well. Maybe. In order to put pressure on both sides, Trump need leverage. And he needs the perception of being an honest broker. He's trying to come out of this with both sides beholden to him. That's Trump's way.
Trump said something last year. I don't remember the exact quote. But it was something along the lines of: "I'm gonna make Putin accept a truce. And if he doesn't, I'm gonna make him regret it by sending Ukraine more weapons than they ever dreamed of."... something along those lines.
The opening salvo of this pressure was Trump humiliating Zolenskey in the White House. Then cutting off intelligence and arms, etc. That's the 2x4.
But expect him to hit Russia with one too. If Putin doesn't bend the knee, he's gonna get the same treatment as his adversary. Maybe even worse.
The poliboard crowd who think Trump is gonna hand Ukraine to Putin on a silver platter will be upset when it's all said and done.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:16 pm to AU86
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He has to be the dumbest motherfricker on the planet.
He is deranged.
I think @doubleb is just stubborn and unwilling to admit he was wrong. But in the end, he can say "I voted for Trump!".
Lee B is going to go down with the ship.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:18 pm to Stinger_1066
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I think @doubleb is just stubborn and unwilling to admit he was wrong. But in the end, he can say "I voted for Trump!".
I don’t believe I have been wrong about anything; certainly not about you. You add nothing to the thread with your insults.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:19 pm to AU86
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Damn you are stupid. Do you think that there would be any chance of a final peace if Zelensky/Ukraine continue with his demands that he held onto only a few days ago? Ukraine has to be brought into the reality of what us happening on the ground. They are going to have to be willing to compromise much more than they were willing to do. Putin would laugh them out of the room.
When are you going to realize that Russia doesn't even need an agreement? THEY ARE WINNNING!!
The losing side does not get to dictate terms!!!
If you want to.know where Russia's demands are go listen to what Putin said in June 2024.
If Trump can get any better than that from the Russians that is 4-D chess.
Why would the winning side agree to anything at all?
They're winning!
They'll keep on fighting.
Trump can't stop that...
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:22 pm to OleVaught14
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How is Trump going to get Putin to the table? An agreement has been reached with Ukraine, so how now will Trump force Putin to play ball? More sanctions? More military support to Ukraine? The deal with Ukraine is worth nothing and Trump doesn't really care about peace?
@No Colors said it better than I can:
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Trump said something last year. I don't remember the exact quote. But it was something along the lines of: "I'm gonna make Putin accept a truce. And if he doesn't, I'm gonna make him regret it by sending Ukraine more weapons than they ever dreamed of."... something along those lines.
The opening salvo of this pressure was Trump humiliating Zolenskey in the White House. Then cutting off intelligence and arms, etc. That's the 2x4.
But expect him to hit Russia with one too. If Putin doesn't bend the knee, he's gonna get the same treatment as his adversary. Maybe even worse.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:27 pm to No Colors
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But expect him to hit Russia with one too. If Putin doesn't bend the knee, he's gonna get the same treatment as his adversary. Maybe even worse.
We will see, I suppose... again, you have faith in Trump, and I do not.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:29 pm to John Barron
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:32 pm to doubleb
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:34 pm to Lee B
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Why would the winning side agree to anything at all?
BINGO!!! You finally get it!! They will hold out for Putin's terms set out in 2024. If Ukraine doesn't take them they will fight it out and Ukraine will lose even more. If Ukraine says no, Trump will tell them I have done all I can and Good Luck. In reality, accept the best that we can get or use your final reserves fighting until it runs out. Remember what happened to the ARVN in Vietnam after Congress cut off all of their aid? It wasn't pretty. Europe cannot sustain what the US has put on the table. They have admitted so. Their inventories are depleted. That is the price they have to pay since they settled on us protecting them and invested little in defense. You can't shoot social welfare out of a cannon.
If Trump can get the Russians to compromise at all based on where they now sit he has performed a miracle. But I do agree with No Colors in the fact that he may have to hit Putin on the head also. The problem is Trump doesn't have a whole lot to hit with now that hasn't been tried and already faiIed. I hope he can for Ukraine's sake. That is the reason that I think Putin's June 2024 terms will probably be close to what is finally agreed upon.
In reality Trump wants this settled and is ready to move on to other things.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 6:58 pm to Lee B
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you have faith in Trump, and I do not.
Don't go that far. He's shaking things up. This war needs to end. Let's see if he can do it.
Biden could have ended it 3 years ago when Putin failed at the gates of Kiev and had to retreat. But he blew it.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:09 pm to No Colors
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Biden could have ended it 3 years ago when Putin failed at the gates of Kiev and had to retreat. But he blew it.
100%. Ukraine should have taken the Istanbul Deal that was on the table. Or they should have gone to the table after their Kharkiv and Kherson success. They were at a position of strength then and Russia was very disorganized.
If we are being truthful Ukraine never had a chance of winning a prolonged war based on manpower and resources plus they fought Russia's attrition type of war.
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:24 pm to AU86
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100%. Ukraine should have taken the Istanbul Deal that was on the table. Or they should have gone to the table after their Kharkiv and Kherson success. They were at a position of strength then and Russia was very disorganized.
You guys don’t understand Putin, he isn’t going to compromise. He is going to take, take, take.
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:29 pm to doubleb
You are probably right. But the fact is they had signed off on that Istanbul Deal and that was a hell of alot better than Ukraine will get now. Minus the additional death and destruction. Plus they are going to lose more territory.
You might argue that he would have eventually violated the deal but what is to say he won't do the same in the future and Ukraine is much worse off/weaker now. Ukraine is a wrecked country and I guarantee you the Europeans will never allow them into the EU.
He may or he may not. Putin/Russia are going to be able to weather this storm. Like it or not. If he takes Ukraine or Moldova in the future he probably can do it politically like what has happened in Georgia. I don't think he will have to do it militarily. This Ukraine Project has been a disaster for the west.
So what did they gain by continuing to fight?
You might argue that he would have eventually violated the deal but what is to say he won't do the same in the future and Ukraine is much worse off/weaker now. Ukraine is a wrecked country and I guarantee you the Europeans will never allow them into the EU.
He may or he may not. Putin/Russia are going to be able to weather this storm. Like it or not. If he takes Ukraine or Moldova in the future he probably can do it politically like what has happened in Georgia. I don't think he will have to do it militarily. This Ukraine Project has been a disaster for the west.
So what did they gain by continuing to fight?
This post was edited on 3/11/25 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 3/11/25 at 7:29 pm to CitizenK
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The US won in Afghanistan... until we left 20 years later and it went right back to what it was before we invaded.
The Taliban actually broke the terms of the agreement with Trump multiple times during Biden. The Afghan army had been trained to use US air strikes as support, much like the US military uses its domination in any airspace.
Yeah, okay... I'm not sure what that changes?
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