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Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:19 am to Chromdome35
Great job.
Somewhere you have to factor in Russian corruption. While the computer may say they have X amounts of parts and pieces in some warehouse, it doesn’t always mean they do.
Somewhere you have to factor in Russian corruption. While the computer may say they have X amounts of parts and pieces in some warehouse, it doesn’t always mean they do.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:22 am to CitizenK
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Russia does NOT have the industrial capacity it had as the USSR,
I always find statements like this funny. It's kind of hard to take seriously when NATO Secretary General said Russia produces more in 3 months than all of NATO does in a year. So if Russia is terrible what does that make us?
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:28 am to doubleb
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While the computer may say they have X amounts of parts and pieces in some warehouse, it doesn’t always mean they do.
Russia has a "No limit Partnership" with China. The #1 manufacturing country in the World by far. Anything Russia needs they can get from China except state of the art Nvidia chips which are not needed for current weapons.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:28 am to John Barron
JB, what specifically is he refering to when he says 3 times as much...3 times as much WHAT? Vodka?
It certainly isn't the entire industrial output.
Russia's GDP is $2.15T
The combined GDP of NATO is $54T
So what is Marke Rutte talking about?
It certainly isn't the entire industrial output.
Russia's GDP is $2.15T
The combined GDP of NATO is $54T
So what is Marke Rutte talking about?
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:30 am to John Barron
We all know Russia is an industrial powerhouse. They out produce everybody.
The point is they have lost a lot of equipment and reports are they seem to be less equipment than they use to be.
Two things can be true. They are out producing NATO, but they can’t make up for their losses.
It’s like manpower. Sure Russia is a bigger country than Ukraine with more people, but they have lost so many people that they had to turn to NK to help them drive Ukraine out of their homeland.
The point is they have lost a lot of equipment and reports are they seem to be less equipment than they use to be.
Two things can be true. They are out producing NATO, but they can’t make up for their losses.
It’s like manpower. Sure Russia is a bigger country than Ukraine with more people, but they have lost so many people that they had to turn to NK to help them drive Ukraine out of their homeland.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:38 am to Chromdome35
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JB, what specifically is he refering to when he says 3 times as much.
He is talking about armor and ammunition. You now the stuff you need to fight a War with.
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It certainly isn't the entire industrial output.
Russia's GDP is $2.15T
The combined GDP of NATO is $54T
You have to look at PPP when comparing economies much more accurate because it removes the currency disparity. Rutte also mentions that in the video if you watch it when he refers to "what you can buy in Russia is much more"
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:38 am to doubleb
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It’s like manpower. Sure Russia is a bigger country than Ukraine with more people, but they have lost so many people that they had to turn to NK to help them drive Ukraine out of their homeland.
This, to me, is one of the most significant indicators of the lack of Russian combat power.
Ukraine has held a relatively small portion of Russia since August 6, 2024. That is 6 months and 26 days. TO DATE, Russia has been unable to expel them and has had to bring in NK troops to assist.
That is not an indicator of a powerful or effective military.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:40 am to doubleb
Even More North Korean Troops Are Reportedly Being Piped Into Ukraine-Russia War
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A new batch of North Korean soldiers are reportedly deploying to the Russia-Ukraine war as President Donald Trump’s administration continues to rapidly pursue an end to the conflict, The Associated Press reported Thursday.
South Korea’s National Intelligence Service (NIS) reported that North Korea sent an additional 1,000 to 3,000 soldiers to the Kursk region between January and February, according to the AP. The rogue state began helping Russia in its war effort in October 2024, sending an initial batch of 1,500 special forces soldiers and 10,000 regular troops in November.
https://dailycaller.com/2025/02/27/even-more-north-korean-troops-are-reportedly-being-piped-into-ukraine-russia-war/
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:41 am to John Barron
Weren’t wd discussing Russian industrial capabilities? Russian corruption?
Sure they can buy chips from China, but can’t some just walk off?
Sure they can buy chips from China, but can’t some just walk off?
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:44 am to Chromdome35
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JB, what specifically is he refering to when he says 3 times as much
I don’t know if the numbers are true, but you can build 3 times more, and lose 5 times more and face a shortage, right?
Reports have Russia losing more than they are building.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:46 am to Chromdome35
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TO DATE, Russia has been unable to expel them and has had to bring in NK troops to assist.
Kursk is collapsing for Ukraine as we speak and Russia did not have to bring in North Korean troops. If Kim Jong Un tells Putin he wants a few thousand soldiers to go to Russia to fight for the experience and training are you gonna tell him no? Of course not. Ukraine has been using thousands of Soldiers from across the globe this entire War.
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:47 am to John Barron
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As of 2024, the combined Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of NATO's 31 member countries, measured in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), is approximately $64.26 trillion international dollars. This accounts for about 30.3% of the global GDP.
In comparison, Russia's GDP (PPP) is estimated at $6.9 trillion international dollars, representing roughly 3.3% of the global GDP.
This indicates that the combined economic output of NATO member countries is nearly nine times larger than that of Russia when adjusted for purchasing power parity.
It's important to note that these figures are based on data up to 2024, and the exact numbers may vary depending on the source and the specific metrics used.
As of 2024, the top five global economies based on Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) GDP are:
China: Approximately $37.1 trillion USD.
United States: Approximately $29.2 trillion USD.
India: Approximately $16.0 trillion USD.
Russia: Approximately $6.9 trillion USD.
Japan: Approximately $6.6 trillion USD.
These figures are sourced from the International Monetary Fund's World Economic Outlook Database, April 2024.
As of 2024, the combined Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of NATO's 31 member countries, measured in Purchasing Power Parity (PPP), is approximately $64.26 trillion international dollars. The United States contributes a significant portion to this total, with a GDP (PPP) of approximately $29.2 trillion international dollars. By excluding the U.S., the combined GDP (PPP) of the remaining NATO countries is approximately $35.06 trillion international dollars.
This collective economic strength underscores the substantial financial and industrial capabilities of NATO's European and Canadian members, contributing significantly to the alliance's overall resources and defense potential.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:48 am to John Barron
Copium, it's still almost 7 months since Ukraine parked on Russian soil and Russia hasn't been able to expel them yet.
I'm not saying they won't expel them eventually, but a superpower that cant crush a small incursion into their country isn't a superpower is it?
I'm not saying they won't expel them eventually, but a superpower that cant crush a small incursion into their country isn't a superpower is it?
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Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:49 am to doubleb
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Reports have Russia losing more than they are building.
Reports are not Reality. If this was the case Russia would be losing the War and the Ukraine counter offensive would have succeeded instead of failing badly.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:54 am to John Barron
Posted on 2/28/25 at 10:59 am to John Barron
Damn 
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:04 am to John Barron
You've posted this particular video at least 3 times in this thread, but it's not the gotcha you think it is. Even when considering PPP, Russia pales in comparison to NATO with or without the US PPP contribution.
I'm sure Russia is making more ammo and armor than NATO, so what? ETA: Where is this manufacturing power reflected in real world results on the battlefield?
Using your PPP metric, Russia's economy is still just a tick on the horses arse compared to US, Europe or NATO.
I'm sure Russia is making more ammo and armor than NATO, so what? ETA: Where is this manufacturing power reflected in real world results on the battlefield?
Using your PPP metric, Russia's economy is still just a tick on the horses arse compared to US, Europe or NATO.
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Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:06 am to John Barron
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Reports are not Reality. If this was the case Russia would be losing the War and the Ukraine counter offensive would have succeeded instead of failing badly
Not really. Russia had way more armaments to begin with and they are relying on outsiders to help them now.
The discussion is about capacity to build arms. The war is not just being fought by Russia with just their armaments and just their manpower.
Russia attacked initially and failed. They have had several counterattacks fail too. Ukraine had successfully counterattacked too.
Industrial output has always been in Russia’s favor, but that doesn’t guarantee complete success.
Yes Russia is winning, but it hasn’t been very easy.
Posted on 2/28/25 at 11:10 am to Chromdome35
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I'm sure Russia is making more ammo and armor than NATO, so what?
Because I was correcting the Poster who said Russia does not have any industrial capacity which is not true. They are outperforming NATO
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Using your PPP metric, Russia's economy is still just a tick on the horses arse
Its #4 in the world in terms of PPP, ahead of Germany and Japan. That's a pretty big tick
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