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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:35 am to doubleb
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:35 am to doubleb
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Things have changed, but peace through strength is still the best way for a better USA. Giving in regarding Ukraine is one thing, but cutting and running ftom Europe to curry favor from Russia at the same time is embarrassing.
Do you really think this is the end game?
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Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:38 am to doubleb
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but cutting and running ftom Europe to curry favor from Russia at the same time is embarrassing.
Uh Europe imported record levels of energy from Russia in 2024.
No wonder they barely fund shitty Ukraine. They can’t fund shitty Ukraine when they have Russias dong in their mouth.
frick NATO.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:51 am to Pettifogger
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Do you really think this is the end game?
It seems that way, but I sure hope not. I thought Trump to have more sense than this.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:57 am to Pettifogger
Making Zelensky the “bad guy” allows Trump to turn this into victory instead of a defeat
A peace deal becomes the end to a senseless war, instead of another Afghanistan
And because it’s Trump, the deal will probably include a trade component with Russia, that materially benefits the US.
A peace deal becomes the end to a senseless war, instead of another Afghanistan
And because it’s Trump, the deal will probably include a trade component with Russia, that materially benefits the US.
This post was edited on 2/19/25 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 2/19/25 at 11:58 am to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:08 pm to Lima Whiskey
I suspect that Trump is setting up Zelensky for a face saving option, just one Zelensky won't like.
I see it as Trump's unique way of conveying to Zelensky and European agitators "there is no fairy dust solution here, we're not backstopping your quagmire indefinitely in some manner that keeps us all a few mistakes away from a much broader conflict"
I see it as Trump's unique way of conveying to Zelensky and European agitators "there is no fairy dust solution here, we're not backstopping your quagmire indefinitely in some manner that keeps us all a few mistakes away from a much broader conflict"
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:15 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:21 pm to John Barron
I couldn’t believe when a number of the more pro Ukrainian folks in this thread believed Trump would be good for Ukraine, or argued there wasn’t a Putin wing of the Republican Party.
Weird times ahead.
If I was Ukraine I’d sign whatever needs to be signed with the US at this point to secure a pause and pursue nuclear weapons as quickly as possible. Ukraine can always tear up whatever royalty/repayment agreement it agrees to with the US if the next US president hasn’t already torn it up for them.
Weird times ahead.
If I was Ukraine I’d sign whatever needs to be signed with the US at this point to secure a pause and pursue nuclear weapons as quickly as possible. Ukraine can always tear up whatever royalty/repayment agreement it agrees to with the US if the next US president hasn’t already torn it up for them.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:24 pm to ned nederlander
LOL
"This other country should lie and mislead my own country and pursue nuclear weapons"
Weird times indeed.
"This other country should lie and mislead my own country and pursue nuclear weapons"
Weird times indeed.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:30 pm to ned nederlander
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If I was Ukraine I’d sign whatever needs to be signed with the US at this point to secure a pause and pursue nuclear weapons
If Russia has any suspicion Ukraine is pursuing Nuclear Weapons they will Turn Kiev to dust before you could blink
Posted on 2/19/25 at 12:34 pm to ned nederlander
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If I was Ukraine I’d sign whatever needs to be signed with the US at this point to secure a pause and pursue nuclear weapons as quickly as possible. Ukraine can always tear up whatever royalty/repayment agreement it agrees to with the US if the next US president hasn’t already torn it up for them.
The Russians have said that they won’t accept another Minsk.
Lavrov referred to the Ukrainian controlled oblasts as regions that have yet to self determine and the governor of Kherson spoke about holding more referendums in Ukraine just recently. The Russians have also said they will not surrender any territory where Russians live.
That sounds like partition to me
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:10 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:21 pm to Stidham8
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We’re heading towards a 20th century return to nationalism and self reliance.
And wars and fighting over resources and security.
I guess that counts as some kind of dream scenario for some people.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:28 pm to Lee B
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:45 pm to John Barron
Posted on 2/19/25 at 1:51 pm to cypher
quote:Ok, here's my two cents on Trump's recent pro-Russian comments. Call it copium if you wish, but it's what makes sense to me right now.
Even as American and Russian negotiators sat down together on Tuesday for the first time since Moscow’s full-fledged invasion of Ukraine nearly three years ago, Mr. Trump has signaled that he is willing to abandon America’s allies to make common cause with President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia.
The Donald is not a deep thinker nor does he think in terms of a long game. When presented with a microphone he says just what's on his mind at that moment. No considered, thoughtful answer and certainly no refusal to discuss anything. Show Trump a microphone and he's going to unload on you. Short and shocking, designed to make headlines. The TV journalist's dream.
And what's always on Trump's mind is what's making him angry at that particular moment. That anger prevents him from discussing anything without insulting and attacking someone. He doesn't care how ridiculous or easily refutable his comments are because he doesn't care about his own credibility. We in the US are now used to this ("they're eating the pets in Springfield..."), but the Europeans are horrified that any world leader can be so callous about the truth. They'll learn...
So what's Donald angry about this week? The fact that the rare earth minerals grab was refused by Zelensky. This was very embarrassing to Trump as he had presented this deal to his wealthy backers as a sure thing. And Zelensky just blew it off.
Zelensky told Donald Trump "No".
So now the intimidation and bullying comes out from Trump to try to get Zelensky and the Ukrainian government to surrender and sign the papers. They think repeating Putin's propagada lies will be the horse's head left in Zelensky's bed. But trying to intimidate a guy like Zelensky after everything he's been through the last three years is foolish. He's seen far worse than a bunch of rich MAGA supporters talking tough. Especially with Trump as their bag man. The people Zelensky has been dealing with the last three years don't offer written contracts or ask for any signature. Zelensky should get an Academy Award for just keeping a straight face.
So I'm not worried about anything Trump is saying now or at any time. With Trump, talk is always cheap and he never backs up anything he says. This recent bromance with the war criminal and mass murderer is just school yard bullying and is doomed to fail with the Ukrainians. Trump will then move on to the next Plan of the Day and reshuffle the paragraphs of the minerals contract to see if anyone in Kyiv is scared. I'll save him the time - they aren't and won't be at any point in our lifetimes. It's called courage. Something Trump has been allergic to his entire life.
So the balance between the mineral rights deal and the Russian sanctions will tell the tale. But the Ukrainians have the winning hand here. They control the establishment of the mineral rights contract and will sign it. But only under their terms. It is too lucrative for the Trump crowd to walk away from. Or sit while the Chinese take it.
And meanwhile while everyone is busy talking... Oh look, another Russian refinery just blew up. Tik tok mutherfrickers.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:00 pm to Coeur du Tigre
It's pretty amazing that someone has this take on Trump after 4 years as President close the decade as a major political figure.
Look I think it's entirely fair to conclude that Trump significantly overvalues his negotiation skills and that many of his efforts end up with no gain or only modest gain. In other words, he fights differently and creatively and often absurdly, and often with no real win other than some vanity bottom line he can tout. I think that's a big unfair but I don't think it's an unreasonable position.
But having watched Trump for a decade and concluding there is zero thought behind his words and that they're stream of consciousness rather than at least and attempt to deflect/evade/build leverage/etc. is wild to me. At least for anyone who observes with any level of diligence at all.
Look I think it's entirely fair to conclude that Trump significantly overvalues his negotiation skills and that many of his efforts end up with no gain or only modest gain. In other words, he fights differently and creatively and often absurdly, and often with no real win other than some vanity bottom line he can tout. I think that's a big unfair but I don't think it's an unreasonable position.
But having watched Trump for a decade and concluding there is zero thought behind his words and that they're stream of consciousness rather than at least and attempt to deflect/evade/build leverage/etc. is wild to me. At least for anyone who observes with any level of diligence at all.
Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:02 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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But the Ukrainians have the winning hand here. They control the establishment of the mineral rights contract and will sign it.
No winning hand. Trump was informed their rare earth minerals were greatly exaggerated
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:05 pm to John Barron
Ukraine has NO significant rare-earth deposits.
USGS & mining databases do not list Ukraine as a major source. Only small scandium deposits exist, but they are not economically viable.
“What Ukraine has is scorched earth; what it doesn’t have is rare earths.” — Javier Blas
Ukrainian officials overstated mineral potential in 2024 to gain Trump’s favor.
Trump misinterpreted or was misled, assuming major reserves. Online conspiracy theories fueled the false claim.
Even if Ukraine produced 20% of global rare earths, it would be worth only $3B annually—far from Trump’s $500B demand.
Mining experts call Ukraine’s deposits too difficult & costly to extract.
“Simply put, ‘follow the money’ doesn’t work here.”
Source: Bloomberg
USGS & mining databases do not list Ukraine as a major source. Only small scandium deposits exist, but they are not economically viable.
“What Ukraine has is scorched earth; what it doesn’t have is rare earths.” — Javier Blas
Ukrainian officials overstated mineral potential in 2024 to gain Trump’s favor.
Trump misinterpreted or was misled, assuming major reserves. Online conspiracy theories fueled the false claim.
Even if Ukraine produced 20% of global rare earths, it would be worth only $3B annually—far from Trump’s $500B demand.
Mining experts call Ukraine’s deposits too difficult & costly to extract.
“Simply put, ‘follow the money’ doesn’t work here.”
Source: Bloomberg
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 2/19/25 at 2:06 pm to Coeur du Tigre
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It's called courage. Something Trump has been allergic to his entire life.
He got shot by a lunatic. And got shot at again weeks later by mega Ukraine bro who held similar views to yours.
Much tougher than any pussy Ukraine bro that posts here.
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