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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/10/24 at 5:48 pm to
Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 5:48 pm to
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I cannot find the source again to cite...

UKR hacked and monitored Russian traffic cameras to observe troop movements for this new front.


If true, that's a secret that should have remained a secret unless it has already been fixed by the Russians.

Great idea in any event.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 5:57 pm to
Random tweets

Start off with Rybar from 2 hours ago
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?????????? Kursk Direction: New Attempts of AFU Attacks
What is known as of 6:00 PM on August 10, 2024

Ukrainian formations continue to entrench themselves in the occupied part of the Kursk Region and are making attempts to advance deeper into Russian territory. The situation remains tense, although it has somewhat stabilized compared to previous days.

??In the Sudzha District, two Ukrainian tanks are firing from the vicinity of Honcharivka towards the eastern part of Sudzha. Earlier, there were reports of the Russian Armed Forces clearing the center and western outskirts of the city, but much of what is happening there is shrouded in the "fog of war".

Moreover, to fully control Sudzha, it is necessary to dislodge Ukrainian formations from the western outskirts and approaches - otherwise, the AFU will continue to shell the city and carry out sorties.

??On the southern flank, an enemy sabotage group has infiltrated the village of Plekhovo again: according to incoming information, AFU members have opened fire on civilians and are occupying homes.

??At the same time, Russian troops continue to strike with artillery and air power the positions and objects of the enemy both in the occupied part of the Kursk Region and in the neighboring Sumy Region. One of the hits was on the AFU's location in the children's camp "Kolosok" north of the village of Huyevo.

There is also unconfirmed information about the enemy's use of chlorine-filled ammunition, as a result of which the victims have breathing difficulties and symptoms of toxic substance poisoning.

??In the Korenevo District, the configuration of the front has become somewhat clearer: the presence of Ukrainian formations was recorded north of Lyubimovka. There they hold positions in forest areas, the largest of which is the Kultura tract.

??In Korenevo itself, the situation remains relatively calm, and the Internet even publishes footage of Russian servicemen at the entrance to the village.

??There is also a video of the destruction of a Ukrainian armored group of up to 15 armored vehicles in the forest southeast of the village of Kauchuk, which was heading towards Lgov.

Against the backdrop of the lack of successful AFU actions, Ukrainian media are increasingly spreading hastily created "evidence" of their presence in various settlements, as well as using archival videos from 2022 with strikes on Russian convoys. Similarly, they present videos of the capture of border guards filmed on the first day as today's footage.

#digest #map #Kursk #Russia #Ukraine

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???????? On dangerous illusions about the offensive capabilities of the AFU

As the situation in the Kursk Region becomes relatively stabilized, there may be an impression that the offensive potential of the AFU in this direction has dried up, and it will not be too difficult to dislodge them from the captured border settlements.

However, this is erroneous and quite dangerous. Moreover, there is a certain set of characteristic signs that indirectly indicate that the main strike of the Ukrainian formations is still ahead.

??The concentrations of enemy forces near the Russian border have not gone anywhere, and the probability of a new offensive remains. Moreover, relatively large troop movements have been noticed in the Ukrainian rear, usually observed during the formation of groupings.

??The promised debut of the transferred American F-16 fighters has not yet taken place, and it is highly likely that the Ukrainian command is saving them not just like that. The version is supported by the fact that the Kyiv regime recently made large purchases of aviation fuel with delivery specifically in September.

??During past major offensives, the AFU always delivered two strikes: in 2022 in the Kherson and Kharkiv directions, and in 2023 in the Artemivsk and Zaporizhia directions. Therefore, it is not excluded that the enemy will try to attack again, taking advantage of the redeployment of Russian Armed Forces reinforcements from other sectors.

From a military point of view, such plans may raise questions. However, if we very carefully assume that the Kyiv regime really wants to reach negotiations by the end of the year under the pressure of its Western sponsors, then it clearly needs some trump cards for this.

The capture of the territories of the "old" Russian regions fits perfectly into this logic, as well as attempts at landings on Kinburn and Tendra Spit to create a threat to communications in Crimea. This is exactly what the Ukrainian formations are currently undertaking.

??Therefore, it is too early to relax. Yes, the AFU are no longer what they were in 2022, but the enemy has not yet lost its offensive capabilities.

Overconfidence and hasty conclusions that there is no one to fight in the so-called Ukraine lead to sad consequences like those we observed in the border area a few days ago.
#Kursk #Russia #Ukraine

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Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 5:57 pm to
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?????????? About the breakthrough of another section of the front in the Kursk direction: half an hour later

In fact, just half an hour after the news of the "breakthrough" appeared, the events turned out to be more and more like "elephant radio", as we said.

??Sounds of fighting are heard in the vicinity of Belaya Sloboda: local residents say that the sounds are distant, "about 20 kilometers away". You don't have to be a genius to understand that this is about the section of the state border and the Sudzhansky district.

??Single reports of clashes came from Milaevka and Goptarovka. At the same time, reports from the northern farmstead of Kucherov say that everything is calm.

??Some sources talk about a certain mobile armored group of the AFU from three to six pieces of equipment. It is appropriate to recall the described tactics of action. It is not yet possible to determine its exact location: we are talking about a roaming reconnaissance group.

??With a high degree of probability, the fighting was still in the vicinity of Guevo and Plekhovo: acting from the side of Miropol'ye, the AFU could try to expand the wedge zone eastward towards the village of Borki. They have enough forces and means.

??This does not mean that there are no risks: this is far from the case.

In our analysis today, we explained in detail that it is too early to relax, showing cause-and-effect relationships. Moreover, the AFU, alas, have enough forces in the sector to stretch our troops. And the entry of a single reconnaissance group can actually be an attempt to break through in a new sector. Alas, at the moment, this must be taken into account.

??The saddest result of the panic leak was that the information instantly spread through urban and courtyard chats. In Belaya Sloboda and the surrounding area, a small panic began, people began to pack their things, this did not add calm in this difficult period.

??Colleagues in the Telegram community: we strongly ask you to check information from several sources, take the necessary pause to clarify the situation, estimate the probable nature of the enemy's actions and know that your words are often relied upon more than the statements of the official authorities that everything is calm (well, it has historically developed this way in Russia, what can you do).

Everyone's nerves are giving way at this moment. Both ordinary residents and military personnel with border guards and Rosgvardia, not to mention the selfless warriors of the information front.
#Kursk #Russia #Ukraine

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A number of rumors swirling through Russian milblogger channels tonight about a new Ukrainian push in Kursk, aimed eastward at the towns of Belitsa and Belaya, and their rail/road junctions.

The eastern town, Belaya, is now reportedly under a mandatory evacuation.

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Russian source have confirmed that Ukrainian troops have shifted their focus to the southern flank, from Sudzha towards the Guevo-Plekhovo direction. While Russian forces are concentrating on defending Sudzha and securing the northeastern supply routes into the city, this has allowed Ukrainian forces to capture both Guevo and Plekhovo, (shown on the map) putting southern Russian logistics routes at risk.

Russia and Ukraine are both claiming to exclusively control the village of Martynovka. Since no evidence of either claim has been made available yet, this village will continue to be listed as contested.

There was a confirmed Russian assault last night noon the town but Russia provided no clear outcome.

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Evacuation announced in Belovsky district of Kursk zone. This is despite milblogger claim the incursion was overblown

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Ukrainian-Russian war. Day 898:
Situation on Kursk front:
- #UkrainianArmy crossed the Psel river and entered the first houses of Plekhovo.
- The situation around Sudzha starts to become clearer: Ukrainian forces previously entered Makhnovka and Zamoste from the south. As for Sudzha itself the western part is in no man's land, while the eastern part is disputed between the two sides.
- The situation further north is unclear and is considered a gray zone up to at least the localities of Cherkasskoe Porechnoe and Kositsa.

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Posted by Auburn1968
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 5:59 pm to
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Ukraine as well as plenty of AGM-88 HARM missiles when they do start flying SEAD sorties.


Knocking out Russian radar for anti-air and anti-artillery return fire would seriously hamper Russian forces. F16's are much better suited for that than the jury rigged old Soviet era Migs.

Posted by AU86
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:06 pm to
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With the limited numbers of F16's they have, I doubt we'll see them risk them over the front providing close air support.


Oh what might have been but for the cowardice and weakness of certain western leaders.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:20 pm to
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Meanwhile in the real world Ukraine’s death rattle desperation fever dream offensive is coming to a rapid end in a predictable manner


Hey, welcome back, BKR! You are certainly free to predict what you like, and some of us know how some of your prior predictions have turned out.

Here's my prediction, based on the still very limited amount of info that we have right now:

The Ukrainian invasion in Kursk is starting to slow down. Ukraine can only go so far so fast with its logistics and limited personnel, and Russia is finally starting to bring in real reinforcements.

But Ukraine still has the initiative, and that will likely continue for a few more days. Instead of continuing to push forward everywhere, though, they will now look for clear opportunities, attacking where they have a clear advantage or gain a favorable position.

As Ukraine pushes forward, they mining approaches and making it difficult for Russia to throw them back quickly in any area, while they are simultaneously digging trenches and building fortifications. Ukraine has pushed forward so far with comparatively little loss, so they aren't about to try to fight stronger Russian positions and lose men and equipment that they can't afford to lose.

Accordingly, as Russia continues to bring in other units and reserves, the front lines will begin to stabilize in the next few days. Ukraine will prioritize the defense of the territory it's taken, but Russia doesn't have the resources to retake it quickly without taking units from elsewhere on the front -- and they don't want to do that.

So, Russia will begin a long, tedious, costly process of trying to retake its own territory, and this section of the front will turn into something very similar to the other front lines in the conflict.
Posted by CitizenK
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:21 pm to
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And Ukraine is within reach of Belgorad with the Himars now?


Ever since HIMARS arrived in Ukraine. It's about 25 miles from the border
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:25 pm to
There have been numerous occasions in the last few months where Zelensky has said something to the effect that the war will/should climax this year.

I think what we're seeing is Ukraine's effort to end the war, they have saved up equipment and launched this surprise attack. This isn't a raid, this is Ukraine giving their best shot at winning or at least forcing Russia to the table from a weaker position.

Ukraine is going to throw everything they can at making this successful. I think they are just holding the F16's back until they can make a maximum impact on the Russians.
Posted by IRespectBrianKelly
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:28 pm to
So we agree then. Ukraine will continue desperately, fanatically expending its precious, dwindling warmaking ability on a new and superfluous front that lacks any strategic value of any kind while Russia continues advancing in Donbas ever closer to Slavyansk and Kramatorsk.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:29 pm to
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DefMon reports on what he emphasizes are RUMORS of the insertion of another Ukrainian brigade making a push to the east:


Seems that the rumors were false:

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As others have pointed out, though, this just shows the extreme level of panic right now among the Russian milbloggers.
Posted by Auburn1968
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Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:30 pm to
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So, Russia will begin a long, tedious, costly process of trying to retake its own territory, and this section of the front will turn into something very similar to the other front lines in the conflict.


Probably about right. As noted, Russia will be destroying their own villages and towns.

Ukraine may have more tricks up their sleeve.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:35 pm to
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So we agree then. Ukraine will continue desperately, fanatically expending its precious, dwindling warmaking ability on a new and superfluous front that lacks any strategic value of any kind


LOL, no. You are as entertaining as ever. Ukraine has expended relatively little on taking hundreds of square kilometers of Russian land that have remarkable political value, while Russia will continue to burn up men and equipment in grinding advances, until it exhausts its combat power and can no longer advance, in much the same way as in late 2022.
Posted by IRespectBrianKelly
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:38 pm to
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Russia will continue to burn up men and equipment in grinding advances, until it exhausts its combat power and can no longer advance, in much the same way as in late 2022.
Russia has at least five times as many soldiers in the Donbas today as it had in 2022, but OK.
Posted by IRespectBrianKelly
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:47 pm to
Lee invading Pennsylvania is a genius move. They’re going to blow the bridge over the Susquehanna and cut off Washington DC. Tactically sound! They’re finally going to bring the war to the Yankees and Lincoln is going to suffer a yuge political embarrassment just in time for the 1864 election. We are winning!
Posted by GOP_Tiger
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 6:55 pm to
My dear, dear BKR, you insisted about a dozen times that Russia would never lose the city of Kherson, even when it was blindingly obvious that Russia would not be able to logistically support its forces there.

You will have to forgive me for doubting your current expertise as a master of military strategy.
Posted by IRespectBrianKelly
Member since Aug 2024
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:00 pm to
You’re right I was very naive back then. I thought not even the Kyiv regime would be so insane and nihilistic as to blow the Kakhovka dam. Luckily Surovikin knew better.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20967 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:09 pm to
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You’re right I was very naive back then.


So, how have you become a military expert in the last two years? Did you enroll in a military academy? Serve on the front lines?

I'm glad to see that you are alive and well, as I worried that you might have been part of some meat assault to conquer some burnt ruin of what used to be some town.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:13 pm to
The effectiveness of that missile coming from the F-16’s fire control will be like night and day. They did the best they could getting it to work on the Mig-29 but technology the two jets may be the same age but the F-16 has been constantly updated. It’s more about getting pilots and ground crews trained now.
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:22 pm to
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Russia has at least five times as many soldiers in the Donbas today as it had in 2022, but OK.




So you're claiming that Russia has 1.5M men in this fight now and can only manage a few square km a day

This is almost as stupid as Lima claiming Ukraine has over 500k KIA with Russia having less than 50k KIA
This post was edited on 8/10/24 at 7:26 pm
Posted by IRespectBrianKelly
Member since Aug 2024
17 posts
Posted on 8/10/24 at 7:26 pm to
How many troops do you think Russia had in Donbas in 2022?
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