re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Imagine being so dumb, Russian propaganda targets you, just because of how easily duped you are.

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Imagine being so dumb, MSM propaganda targets you, just because of how easily duped you are.

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FIFY

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cwil1

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90% of comments calling other posters idiots who fall for propaganda

cites THE KYIV POST

Even if you don't think Kyiv Post is propaganda, you can at least appreciate the irony of citing sources with an obvious inherent bias

Those Russians really got the MAGA idiots, crafting narratives such as

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asking why the US should help Ukraine instead of solving social and domestic problems?

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An insane proposition, no doubt.

#UkraineFirst

Ok McCarthy

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Yep. The report also states that Iran is working the left over. In support of hamas and their proxies. China is doing the same.


Both sides are getting worked. But when it comes to this issue (Ukraine) It's the MAGA wing.

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Both sides are getting worked. But when it comes to this issue (Ukraine) It's the MAGA wing.

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I think some of it is just appealing to already held beliefs more than influencing them to take new positions.

You've got a population of people who just watched us spend 20 years in the Middle East, and for what? Almost every American knows or at least knows of someone who died over there. You've got escalation both in rhetoric and operationally in Ukraine. I don't think its some crazy proposition that there is an outcome with US troops on the ground fighting in Ukraine, and people just don't have the appetite for anything that even MIGHT result in that.

Most people aren't plugged in at all, they just see this war that has been a meatgrinder so far with very little movement since the lines settled, and MAYBE they heard about the counteroffensive that was essentially a total failure.

Does it really take that much convincing of someone with that background for them to not want to get involved in a war where the result MIGHT impact their lives a fraction of a percent, if it does at all? The largest impact would likely be some financial relief in certain sectors that are impacted by the uncertainty ongoing war causes, and that's regardless of the result.

Its also laughable that this is an argument to send our money overseas

"Our government will just waste it anyway, just give it to another country"

The point wasn't the specifics, its that there are other things to invest in besides "the war on poverty". I spouted those off the top of my head to prove that its actually pretty easy to find ways to allocate money to causes of need within the US. If you listen to posters like doubleb and yourself, you would think we have nothing we could possible spend the money on in the US, so why not just give it away? Which is obviously bullshite.

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1. Allow VA patients to use private health care.

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Thats another way to improve it, but if you don't do that we should obviously improve the VA

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2. That works for me but if all at once without the labor force we had in the 1950s and 1960's it only drives cost up if anything close a timeline of under 20 years or Import more "Mexicans"

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So you agree, next

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3. We liquidated mineral ore strategic reserves decades ago in large because the plants that used them were closed and torn down in the 1980;s The SPR is tits on a boar hog and only serves to release to outside the USA. It's actually no longer needed for original premise since we only get a trickle of oil for the Middle East. Canada supplies the vast majority of imported crude oil

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With global uncertainty amid conflicts and the shift to "renewables", I think we should keep a modest strategic reserve stocked. You don't stockpile things to prepare for predictable events.

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4. While rail is certainly a valuable transportation for freight, Private companies already do this unless you want to subsidize them with giant payola.

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For certain routes, sure. With a car-driven society like we have in the vast majority of our cities, another high speed option that gets some of those vehicles off the road actually has a ton of value.

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5. That is easy to do even at the same time.

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We CAN do a lot of this "at the same time". But we can't cut spending plus do it "at the same time", which is the point of the "we could be doing X instead" argument. Ukraine is obvious fat to be trimmed in terms of resource allocation.