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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:29 am to
Posted by StormyMcMan
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Posted on 9/23/23 at 6:29 am to
ISW Update

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Ukrainian forces carried out drone and cruise missile strikes on occupied Crimea and significantly damaged the Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) Command headquarters in Sevastopol on September 22. The Ukrainian Armed Forces Center for Strategic Communications (StratCom) stated that Ukrainian forces launched a successful strike on the Russian BSF Command headquarters in Sevastopol, Crimea on September 22

The Russian information space heavily focused its attention on the Ukrainian strike on Sevastopol on September 22. One Russian milblogger complained about Russian authorities’ inability to control the spread of Ukrainian information about the consequences of the strike, and other milbloggers criticized Russian authorities and the Russian military for not retaliating sufficiently.[8] Another Russian milblogger claimed that such Ukrainian strikes on Crimea are expected as Ukraine and its Western partners consider Crimea to be Ukrainian territory.[9] Multiple Russian milbloggers claimed that Western partners helped Ukrainian forces target the BSF Command headquarters.

Ukrainian forces advanced south of Bakhmut and reportedly advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 22. Geolocated footage published on September 22 indicates that Ukrainian forces advanced southeast of Klishchiivka (7km southwest of Bakhmut).[11] A Kremlin-affiliated milblogger claimed that Ukrainian forces slightly advanced north of Novoprokopivka and are currently about 800 meters away from the settlement’s outskirts, a claim that generally corresponds to ISW’s assessment of the closest approach of the Ukrainian counter-offensive to the settlement.

The US Department of Defense (DoD) announced a new security assistance package on September 21, providing Ukraine with $325 million worth of military equipment.[14] The DoD package includes AIM-9M missiles for air defense; additional ammunition for HIMARS systems; Avenger air defense systems; anti-drone machine guns; 155mm and 105mm artillery rounds, including dual-purpose improved conventional munitions (DPICM); Tube-Launched, Optically-Tracked, Wire-Guided (TOW) missiles; Javelin and AT-4 anti-armor systems; over three million rounds of small arms ammunition; light tactical vehicles; demolition munitions for obstacle clearing; and spare parts, maintenance equipment, and other field equipment.

The US will reportedly soon provide long-range army tactical missile systems (ATACMS) to Ukraine. Four unnamed US government officials told NBC News in an article published on September 22 that US President Joe Biden told Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky that the US would provide Ukraine with “a small number of long-range missiles.”[15] The officials did not state when the US would announce the provision of ATACMS or when the US would deliver them to Ukraine.

Russian efforts to intensify divisions between Ukraine and its Central European partners appear to have suffered a setback as Polish Prime Minister Andrzej Duda reiterated the strength of Polish-Ukrainian relations on September 22. Duda clarified Polish Prime Minister Mateusz Morwiecki’s September 21 statement that Poland would no longer transfer weapons to Ukraine and explained that Poland would continue to fulfill weapons supplies agreements with Ukraine but would not transfer new weapons that Poland purchases for its own military.[19] Duda also stated that the potential conflict between the two countries regarding the export of Ukrainian grain along European land routes does not “significantly affect” the two countries’ relationship.

A Ukrainian military official swiftly denied Russian claims that Wagner Group forces are operating in occupied Kherson Oblast. Several Russian sources claimed on September 22 that Wagner personnel arrived in combat areas in occupied Kherson Oblast and that assault troops are distributed across sectors of the Kherson Oblast frontline.[22] Ukrainian Southern Operational Command Spokesperson Captain First Rank Nataliya Humenyuk denied this claim on September 22 and stated that Russian sources likely disseminate such claims in order to improve Russian morale.[23] Humenyuk also stated that Chechen forces and Rosgvardia (Russian National Guard) forces arrived in occupied Kherson ”a few weeks ago” in order to prevent Russian military personnel from deserting.[24] Russian milbloggers may be claiming that Wagner forces have arrived in occupied Kherson Oblast amid rumors that Wagner forces will return to hostilities in Ukraine operating alongside Rosgvardia.[25]

The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) is reportedly investigating high-ranking Rosgvardia officials over their potential involvement in Wagner Group’s rebellion on June 24. A Russian insider source claimed on September 22 that the FSB is investigating Rosgvardia officials after Rosgvardia reportedly allowed Wagner to “hide” shells and equipment in Rosgvardia’s warehouses immediately after the Wagner rebellion and during the period of Wagner’s disarmament.[26] The source claimed that an unspecified Rosgvardia general with the first name “Roman” oversaw the storage of up to four large containers of Wagner military equipment near a Rosgvardia training ground in the area of “Kazachy Stan” (likely a settlement in an unspecified region of Russia)


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Key Takeaways:

Ukrainian forces carried out drone and cruise missile strikes on occupied Crimea and significantly damaged the Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) Command headquarters in Sevastopol on September 22.

The Russian information space heavily focused its attention on the Ukrainian strike on Sevastopol on September 22.

Ukrainian forces advanced south of Bakhmut and reportedly advanced in western Zaporizhia Oblast on September 22.

The US Department of Defense (DoD) announced a new security assistance package on September 21, providing Ukraine with $325 million worth of military equipment.

The US will reportedly soon provide long-range army tactical missile systems (ATACMS) to Ukraine.

Russian efforts to intensify divisions between Ukraine and its Central European partners appear to have suffered a setback as Polish Prime Minister Andrzej Duda reiterated the strength of Polish-Ukrainian relations on September 22.

A Ukrainian military official swiftly denied Russian claims that Wagner Group forces are operating in occupied Kherson Oblast.

The Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) is reportedly investigating high-ranking Rosgvardia officials over their potential involvement in Wagner Group’s rebellion on June 24.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations in the Kupyansk area, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, and in western Donetsk Oblast and reportedly advanced in the Donetsk-Zaporizhia Oblast administrative border area.

The Russian government is reportedly planning to increase defense spending by 4.4 trillion rubles ($46 billion) in 2024.

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:14 am to
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Now a temporary mechanism for the supply of grain from Ukraine to Poland is being discussed, — Deputy Minister of Economy, Trade Representative of Ukraine Taras Kachka.

The Deputy Minister of Economy added that if Poland lifts the ban on grain imports, Ukraine will withdraw the lawsuit against it at the WTO, as it will lose its meaning. According to him, now "everyone is moving constructively", so reaching an understanding is quite possible.

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Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8599 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 9:06 am to
The Ukrainian AF PR guy is right about what he said too, on all counts. Learning how to keep the F-16 in the air and not pulled in the hangar’s maintenance bay is going to take a pretty monumental effort in the timeframe they are trying to have these aircraft flying combat sorties over Ukraine. The Gripen should be looked as the future fighter of Ukraine’s post war future but right now all eyes need to be learning the F-16 because it’s going to take their entire AF to pull it off. He’s also right that the Mirage 2000 is just vastly outdated to what their current needs are. They wouldn’t be an upgrade to their current Mig-29s to be honest. I still see places talking about the F-16 flying in Ukraine this winter and all I can wonder is where they are getting their information. I’m very concerned if that actually comes to pass because it will mean undertrained pilots with undertrained ground crews and underprepared facilities which will in turn mean aircraft shot down and pilots killed.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 9/23/23 at 1:29 pm to
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I still see places talking about the F-16 flying in Ukraine this winter and all I can wonder is where they are getting their information. I’m very concerned if that actually comes to pass because it will mean undertrained pilots with undertrained ground crews and underprepared facilities which will in turn mean aircraft shot down and pilots killed.


Perhaps. Ukraine has accepted plenty of foreign fighters into its armed forces, and I don't see any reason that foreign F-16 pilots and mechanics would be prohibited from volunteering to serve under the Ukrainian flag.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8599 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 2:09 pm to
Yes they can absolutely hire retired fighter pilots from other countries but that’s kind of a fine line to walk when you’re just now starting to train Ukrainian pilots on the F-16. Many countries have done it over the years and China is hiring western pilots right now to train their own guys on our tactics. Point being there’s a possibility for bad press if they choose to pay pilots to come fly for them. I think they just end up waiting until their own pilots have completed training. Remember the F-16 will come in batches, the first being 6-8 aircraft so Ukraine would naturally send their top recruits to be the first to fly the first airframes that are sent and as more fighters come you will have more pilots ready for them when they do. This is going to be a long and involved process. If Ukraine is going to pay anyone for the f-16 they would smart to put that money on bringing trained mechanics instead of pilots.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14223 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 2:21 pm to
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This is going to be a long and involved process.


So much so, that i would expect a lot of the maintenance ground work has already started. Meaning i wouldn’t be surprised if we’ve already started sending in the spare parts and assorted repair equipment to start establishing the maintenance backbone.
This post was edited on 9/23/23 at 3:34 pm
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8599 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 2:32 pm to
That part is going to be the most interesting to me. I know the logistics involved for them to be able to operate. They are going to need pristine runways, protected shelters from drone and missile attacks as well as an extremely robust air defense ring around these airfields because they won’t be able to keep the charade up of moving aircraft around so the Russians can’t focus in on one airbase to hit. Their entire way of operations is about to change. OPSEC will be critical in the beginning as Ukraine decides which airbases they are going to operate the F-16 from so they can do the necessary work to get them ready without being constantly hit with Russian missile strikes.
This post was edited on 9/23/23 at 3:52 pm
Posted by tigersmanager
Member since Jun 2010
11184 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 4:19 pm to
Still wasting our money when Europe should be paying for this shite
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61723 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 4:33 pm to
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tigersmanager

It cracks me up when we get these random nimrods in this thread with such hard hitting opinions and then they disappear
Posted by Philzilla
Member since Nov 2011
2214 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 4:42 pm to
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notiger1997

FU whoever you are, tigersmanager is good people.
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 9/23/23 at 5:14 pm to
OSINTtechnical
@Osinttechnical
New satellite imagery from this afternoon of the Russian Black Sea Fleet headquarters building in Sevastopol post Ukrainian Storm Shadow/SCALP ALCM strike yesterday.

Fires appear to be out, but the building is heavily damaged.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 7:19 pm to
Lots of reports coming in tonight of a very significant Ukrainian advance in the Verbove area. Looking forward to visual evidence once it is light there.
Posted by SwampGar
Texas
Member since Jan 2020
1481 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:09 pm to
You love to see it.
Posted by LSUnation78
Northshore
Member since Aug 2012
14223 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:17 pm to
Is this in addition to the mechanized unit they got across the surovikin line about 36 hours ago?

Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15688 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 8:29 pm to
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FU whoever you are, tigersmanager is good people.


He might be good people but he is stupid. EU nations gave the F-16s and they also have the spares to go with them, since no longer needed.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
20970 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 9:46 pm to
Lots of good people have idiotic opinions.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:09 pm to
ISW Update

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ISW is now prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken through Russian field fortifications west of Verbove in western Zaporizhia Oblast. These fortifications are not the final defensive line in Russia’s defense in depth in western Zaporizhia Oblast, but rather a specific series of the best-prepared field fortifications arrayed as part of a near-contiguous belt of an anti-vehicle ditch, dragon's teeth, and fighting positions about 1.7 - 3.5 km west of Verbove.[1]

Ukrainian Tavriisk Group of Forces Commander Brigadier General Oleksandr Tarnavskyi stated in an interview with CNN published on September 23 that Ukrainian forces achieved a “breakthrough” on the left flank near Verbove and that Ukrainian forces continue advancing.[2] Combat footage posted on September 22 shows a destroyed Ukrainian Mine-Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) and BMP-2 operating slightly beyond Russia’s fighting positions trench line near Verbove, indicating continued Ukrainian progress in deploying more heavy equipment beyond Russia’s triune belt of the anti-vehicle ditch, dragon’s teeth, and fighting positions.[3] Commercially available satellite imagery indicates that Ukrainian forces have brought heavy equipment closer to Verbove over the past 96 hours in a manner consistent with Tarnavskyi’s statement.[4] The Wall Street Journal reported on September 21 that Ukrainian forces achieved a “limited breakthrough” west of Verbove citing an unnamed Ukrainian Air Assault Forces officer

Ukrainian forces have not overcome all of the prepared Russian defensive positions near Verbove. Ukrainian forces’ rate of advance near their breakthrough remains unclear. Russian forces likely still control segments of the long trench line of Russian fighting positions between Robotyne (10km south of Orikhiv) and Verbove, especially near the tactical high ground to the south. Russian forces have reportedly established prepared fighting positions in almost every tree line that Ukrainian infantry are slowly and systematically fighting through. Russian forces have more field fortifications beyond Verbove; there are more anti-vehicle trenches and fighting positions north of Ocheretuvate (26km southeast of Orikhiv), for example.

Ukrainian forces are deepening their penetration in Zaporizhia Oblast and are assaulting Novoprokopivka – a frontline village 1.5 km immediately south of Robotyne. Geolocated combat footage posted on September 23 shows elements of the Russian 70th Regiment (42nd Motorized Rifle Division, 58th Combined Arms Army, Southern Military District) ambushing and killing two Ukrainian infantrymen in Novoprokopivka’s northeastern outskirts, indicating that Ukrainian forces have likely cleared Russian positions between Robotyne and Novoprokopivka.

Ukrainian military officials stated that the Ukrainian counteroffensive would continue in the winter. Tarnavskyi told CNN that he expected a major Ukrainian breakthrough after Ukrainian forces reach Tokmak (a major Russian stronghold in western Zaporizhia) and that it is important that Ukrainian forces not lose the initiative they currently hold

The Ukrainian counteroffensive in western Zaporizhia Oblast has likely destroyed the Russian 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (Black Sea Fleet). Budanov stated in his interview with The War Zone published on September 22 that the 810th Brigade was “completely defeated” in southern Ukraine.[13] Budanov stated that the 810th Brigade has withdrawn and that Russian airborne (VDV) units replaced them on the front. Budanov‘s description of the status of the 810th Brigade corresponds most closely to the US military‘s doctrinal definition of the tactical mission task of “destroy”: “physically render[ing] an enemy force combat-ineffective until reconstituted.”

A senior Ukrainian official explicitly confirmed that Ukraine’s objective in Bakhmut is to fix Russian forces. Ukraine’s fixing of Russian forces in Bakhmut may be alleviating pressure on the Kupyansk frontline. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov stated that Ukrainian forces achieved their objective of pinning Russian forces in Bakhmut and preventing their transfer to other areas of the theater – such as southern Ukraine – in a September 22 interview.[19] Budanov also stated that the Russian military deployed the recently created and not fully formed 25th Combined Arms Army (CAA) of the Eastern Military District “roughly north of Bakhmut.”

Ukraine’s simultaneous counteroffensives in Bakhmut and southern Ukraine are impeding Russia’s long-term force generation efforts as Russia redeploys its new reserves to defend against Ukrainian advances. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu announced that the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) formed a “reserve army” at the end of June, likely referencing the 25th CAA among other formations, which began recruiting personnel from the Russian Far East in mid-May.

A Ukrainian intelligence chief stated that the September 22 Ukrainian strike on the Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) Command headquarters in Sevastopol injured senior Russian commanders. Ukrainian Main Military Intelligence Directorate (GUR) Head Lieutenant General Kyrylo Budanov told Voice of America (VOA) in an interview published on September 23 that the Ukrainian strike on the BSF Command headquarters wounded the commander of the Russian grouping of forces in the Zaporizhia direction, Colonel General Alexander Romanchuk, who is in “very serious condition” and the commander of the 200th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade (Northern Fleet), Lieutenant General Oleg Tsekov, who is “unconscious.”

Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of September 22 to 23. The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Ukrainian forces destroyed 14 of 15 Shahed-131/136 drones and that Russian forces launched four missiles.[34] The Ukrainian General Staff reported that Russian forces conducted a missile attack on Kremenchuk, Poltava Oblast.[35] Several Russian sources claimed that the Russian forces conducted a retaliatory strike on Kremenchuk airfield after the Ukrainian strike on the BSF Command headquarters.[36]

Zaporizhia Oblast occupation governor Yevgeny Balitsky appointed former Roscosmos (Russian space agency) head and ultranationalist figure Dmitry Rogozin as a Russian Federation Council senator representing occupied Zaporizhia Oblast.[37] Rogozin is affiliated with the “Tsarskiye Volky” (Tsar’s Wolves) volunteer battalion but has not held a position in the Russian government since his dismissal as head of Roskosmos in July 2022.

Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 9/23/23 at 10:10 pm to
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A Russian insider source argued that the Russian military should reintroduce military officers for political affairs (zampolits) to address the Russian military’s problems with political and ideological commitment — a problem that Russian military thinkers identified in September 2018. The insider source claimed that GRU political officers are using an outdated “Soviet template” to conduct information operations against the enemy and are failing to provide political support to Russian military personnel.[42] The insider source noted that Russian political officers must resolve the contradictions between senior Russian political leaders‘ slogans and reality to ensure that military personnel can distinguish between possible and impossible objectives. The insider source claimed that Russian military-political work encourages blind repetition of phrases and orders, which prevents Russian military personnel from understanding and communicating Russian political decisions to their subordinates or explaining contradictions in political leadership messaging. Chairman of the Russian State Duma Defense Committee Colonel General Andrey Kartapolov identified similar issues in his September 2018 essay justifying the creation of the Russian Military-Political Directorate.

Disjointed Wagner Group contingents reportedly returning to fight in Ukraine are likely to have a marginal impact on Russian combat capabilities without bringing the full suite of effectiveness Wagner had had as a unitary organization under financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin’s and founder Dmitry Utkin’s leadership. Former Luhansk Oblast Administration Head Serhiy Haidai stated on September 23 that Wagner personnel are operating in Luhansk Oblast and across different sectors of the frontline


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Key Takeaways:

ISW is now prepared to assess that Ukrainian forces have broken through Russian field fortifications west of Verbove in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
Ukrainian forces have not overcome all prepared Russian defensive positions near Verbove.

Ukrainian forces are deepening their penetration in Zaporizhia Oblast and are assaulting Novoprokopivka – a frontline village 1.5 km immediately south of Robotyne.

Ukrainian military officials stated that the Ukrainian counteroffensive would continue in the winter.

The Ukrainian counteroffensive in western Zaporizhia Oblast has likely destroyed the Russian 810th Naval Infantry Brigade (Black Sea Fleet).

A senior Ukrainian official explicitly confirmed that Ukraine’s objective in Bakhmut is to fix Russian forces. Ukraine’s fixing of Russian forces in Bakhmut may be alleviating pressure on the Kupyansk frontline.

Ukraine’s simultaneous counteroffensives in Bakhmut and southern Ukraine are impeding Russia’s long-term force generation efforts as Russia redeploys its new reserves to defend against Ukrainian advances.

A Ukrainian intelligence chief stated that the September 22 Ukrainian strike on the Russian Black Sea Fleet (BSF) Command headquarters in Sevastopol injured senior Russian commanders.

Russian forces conducted a series of missile and drone strikes against Ukraine on the night of September 22 to 23.

Zaporizhia Oblast occupation governor Yevgeny Balitsky appointed former Roscosmos (Russian space agency) head and ultranationalist figure Dmitry Rogozin as a Russian Federation Council senator representing occupied Zaporizhia Oblast

A Russian insider source argued that the Russian military should reintroduce military officers for political affairs (zampolits) to address the Russian military’s problems with political and ideological commitment– a problem that Russian military thinkers identified in September 2018.

Disjointed Wagner Group contingents reportedly returning to fight in Ukraine are likely to have a marginal impact on Russian combat capabilities without bringing the full suite of effectiveness Wagner had had as a unitary organization under financier Yevgeniy Prigozhin’s and founder Dmitry Utkin’s leadership.

Russian forces conducted offensive operations along the Kupyansk-Svatove-Kreminna line, near Bakhmut, along the Avdiivka-Donetsk City line, in western Donetsk Oblast, in the western Donetsk-eastern Zaporizhia Oblast border area, and in western Zaporizhia Oblast but did not make any confirmed advances on September 23.

Russian authorities are reportedly embezzling funds from military facilities near the border of Ukraine.
Russian government programs continue to forcibly deport children in occupied Ukraine to Russia.
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:07 am to
Not looking good for the Russians rn
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 9/24/23 at 12:44 am to
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A Russian insider source argued that the Russian military should reintroduce military officers for political affairs (zampolits)


We all know how that job worked out for Ivan:

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