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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/1/22 at 5:41 am to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 3/1/22 at 5:41 am to RLDSC FAN
Twitter
Poland not only giving planes but also access to airstrips to launch planes.
Serious question: At what point should American businesses in major population centers start going to remote working so workers can stay away from ground zero?
Edit: May not be true. Cant find the Twitter account the image was grabbed from. (Likely a twisting of the fact that Ukrainian pilots will be picking them up and flying them off into saying that actual sorties will flown directly from Poland.) Still a very intense concept that Poland is offering these planes knowing that they border Russia and Belarus. Could it be construed as an act of war to fly them out of Poland?
Poland not only giving planes but also access to airstrips to launch planes.
Serious question: At what point should American businesses in major population centers start going to remote working so workers can stay away from ground zero?
Edit: May not be true. Cant find the Twitter account the image was grabbed from. (Likely a twisting of the fact that Ukrainian pilots will be picking them up and flying them off into saying that actual sorties will flown directly from Poland.) Still a very intense concept that Poland is offering these planes knowing that they border Russia and Belarus. Could it be construed as an act of war to fly them out of Poland?
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 6:51 am
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Posted on 3/1/22 at 5:56 am to UndercoverBryologist
Good for Poland!
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:02 am to UndercoverBryologist
Probably Poland wanted to give them planes covertly. They would be Eastern Bloc planes to begin with. So any down plane could be written off as Ukrainian hardware. But the stupid EU spokesperson openly announced the delivery of planes from EU counties. So now we have a situation where these planes, if they are indeed being given to Ukraine, will have to fly out of Polish airspace. Seems like a prelude to a Russian attack on Poland and WWIII.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:16 am to UndercoverBryologist
Putin won’t frick with Poland.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:17 am to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:21 am to Centinel
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Putin won’t frick with Poland.
Hopefully not. But it is very much a breaking of NATO neutrality to fly these planes directly across the border, let alone fly sorties.
If they were delivered via large bed truck, it would be permissible under established precedent for neutrality. It would be just hardware.
But if they are flying, armed or not, from a Polish airbase, isn’t that effectively Poland entering a combat zone?
Edit: Which leads back to my idea that Poland floated an idea for convert delivery of planes to Ukraine. Perhaps through Slovakia and then in Ukraine where Russian radar would be least likely to pick up the planes crossing the border.
But after the EU guy came out and announced it, it is now very precarious to conduct it.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 6:27 am
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:26 am to UndercoverBryologist
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Hopefully not. But it is very much a breaking of NATO neutrality to fly these planes directly across the border, let alone fly sorties.
A few planes>>>>declaring war on NATO, this isn’t COD y’all lol
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:28 am to UndercoverBryologist
People shouldn’t try to apply logic to putons actions… including “fricking” with Poland.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:30 am to lowspark12
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Poland will not be sending any jets to Ukrainian airspace.”
According to PT it’s fake news. Plenty of that from our media
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:31 am to Dr RC
They are blowing Kharkiv to bits now. Sad to see this taking place.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:39 am to Palmetto98
Trevethick’s article on The Drive suggests there may have been a kernel of truth to ambitions to deliver planes. But the logistics of doing it out in the open, after the EU spokesperson openly announced it, are too tricky to navigate without triggering WWIII.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:45 am to UndercoverBryologist
He points out the number of planes, quoted by the Ukrainian, from Bulgaria and Slovakia is their entire fleet.
They're not giving away all their planes with no replacements in sight. And Poland isn't giving away 1/3 of their fighter fleet either.
They're not giving away all their planes with no replacements in sight. And Poland isn't giving away 1/3 of their fighter fleet either.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:56 am to BuckyCheese
It's going to be real awkward when Germany shows up to the WWIII red carpet party in the same dress as the USA, UK, and France.
Posted on 3/1/22 at 6:56 am to Palmetto98
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Russia is winning against a real country and we lost against a bunch of guys in pajamas, nice logic
I hear your rhetoric, but there's a significant difference in the type of fight Russia's in right now and the asymmetric warfare we faced in Afghanistan. In Afghanistan, we never lost a single battle in some of the most difficult terrain in the entire world. As a counterpoint, look at the difference in how the two campaigns in Iraq played out vs the one in Afghanistan.
Before painting in black and white with a broad brush, one has to ask, "what was the REAL objective in Afghanistan?" Was it to take over and occupy the country? No. Was it to install a regime favorable to the west? Possibly. But the original stated goal of the "War on Terror" was just that. A war on the terrorists that committed the atrocities on 9/11/2001. In that sense we did win the war. Without going to google, name a significant terrorist event committed by foreigners in the US since that date. I bet you can't. Sure, there have been scattered attacks by radicalized "lone wolves", but nothing like what we were seeing in the 90's under al Qaeda.
So the answer to the question depends on how it's framed. I would say we didn't lose in Afghanistan, we simply completed the mission an left. Yes. The aftermath wasn't pretty, but that's the nature of the beast. If you want to generalize and answer it another way, that up to you.
Second, the US military has been planning to fight the Russians in Europe since the end of WWII, almost 80 years. It's the threat our forces are most prepared and designed to face. If the past week has shown me anything, it's that the level of training and preparedness our forces have from top to bottom compared to the rest of the world is stellar. Our equipment is top notch, and our technology is unmatched. Honestly I think we'd run thru the Russian forces in Ukraine like $#!+ thru a goose.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 7:01 am
Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:00 am to BuckyCheese
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He points out the number of planes, quoted by the Ukrainian, from Bulgaria and Slovakia is their entire fleet.
They're not giving away all their planes with no replacements in sight. And Poland isn't giving away 1/3 of their fighter fleet either.
The 70 number was always going to be a charitable and overly optimistic number that people ran with. Poland and Slovakia probably just wanted to give them something to fight with and were willing to spare 1-5 old Migs a piece. And if that panned out, they could have delivered increments of 1-5 at a time.
The most likely scenario would have been an incremental and covert delivery just to give Ukraine something to fight with while maintaining official non-combatant status for Poland and Slovakia.
Edit: There could very well be Ukrainian pilots in Poland right now attempting to secure the delivery. (They fact that Poland has “declined to comment” rather than outright denied is somewhat telling.) But now that the cats out of the bag, it will be hard to do so.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 7:09 am
Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:03 am to MSUDawg98
A good read for those discussing movies/scenarios
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 7:04 am
Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:05 am to Lonnie Utah
And furthermore, the Russians have shown that you can have all the Men and fancy weapons in the world and it means ZERO if you don't have proper command and control (from top to bottom and vice versa), you aren't skilled in the operation art, lack proper communications and don't have coordination between all 3 branches of the Military.
ETA: I guess that US Security Policy Class that I took in AF ROTC my SR year DID have some use in later life after all... LOL...
ETA: I guess that US Security Policy Class that I took in AF ROTC my SR year DID have some use in later life after all... LOL...
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 7:09 am
Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:07 am to Lonnie Utah
Bro we lost in Afghanistan, it’s okay to admit it. Also, fun fact, the last time US invaded Russia it ended horribly so invading other countries is difficult regardless. I think we just like to point at the Germans blitzkrieging an unprepared war exhausted Europe and assume every invasion is like that. Even iffff, the invasion of Poland took a month that involved collaboration with a neighbor superpower and the whole phony war with France took 8 months that included invading a neutral country.
Y’all need to throw this no total victory in under a week narrative under the bus because it’s pretty pathetic at this point lol.
If Ukraine capitulates this week then this invasion would be historical because what the Russians performed would be considered brilliant. Y’all are about to literally eat the shvt y’all threw at em lol
Y’all need to throw this no total victory in under a week narrative under the bus because it’s pretty pathetic at this point lol.
If Ukraine capitulates this week then this invasion would be historical because what the Russians performed would be considered brilliant. Y’all are about to literally eat the shvt y’all threw at em lol
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 7:12 am
Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:09 am to Palmetto98
So Ukraine isn’t getting the jets from Poland anymore?
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 7:12 am
Posted on 3/1/22 at 7:09 am to Palmetto98
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Bro we lost in Afghanistan, it’s okay to admit it.
We didn't lose. We quit. And we should have, as the objective there were met and staying wasn't worth any more American lives or $$. There's a difference.
However, if we were still there would the Taliban be in power right now? No.
There's your answer.
This post was edited on 3/1/22 at 7:31 am
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