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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:15 pm to
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That's a red herring too. They don't want to focus on China either. There are already calls to abandon Taiwan. Our embrace of globalism over the last few decades has often been taken to excess, and a reassessment of goals is warranted. But hard core America First didn't work then and it won't work now.



Well, the reality of global trade makes these 'globalism' discussion nonsensical. Globalization isn't going away because governments themselves have outsourced spending to private corporations. The US response to the USSR becoming a superpower was to invest heavily in public education, arts, infrastructure, etc. in a way that I'm skeptical we will see ever again. You either participate in the global market as part of the wealthiest nation, which makes the rules that benefit the political faction with the most political capital, and hope you get something from that, or you want an entirely different political economy, which you can't really name or describe.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39820 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:20 pm to
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Who placed limits on the German military?


Are you honestly asking? Is this a trivia question? Isn't it the Two Plus Four Agreement?

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It’s not a constraint, they could have invested more but chose instead to invest in entitlement programs. And it wasn’t a defense pact with “one another” that encouraged them to spend less on their militaries. In reality NATO is a pact that says the US will defend Russia from Europe so they can provide taxpayer funded healthcare and education instead of having to worry about pesky things like national defense.

Outside of maybe France, Europe is a bunch of useless freeloaders.


But that is exactly what we wanted.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:22 pm to
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Who placed limits on the German military? They aren’t the only Western Europeans with a shite arse military. Italy, the UK, Spain etc are all dogshit.

I think the Germans only have a handful of working attack helicopters in their entire military. Many of their soldiers are having to source their own uniforms and a lot of their units don't even having training ammo. They've gutted their capabilities precisely because we've allowed them to.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:24 pm to
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I think the Germans only have a handful of working attack helicopters in their entire military. Many of their soldiers are having to source their own uniforms and a lot of their units don't even having training ammo. They've gutted their capabilities precisely because we've allowed them to.


I can’t remember exactly when this was, but I know it was a few years ago, where I read the German Army had at best 2-3 panzer battalions that were fully operational. And those were limited to firing something like 10 live main gun rounds annually for training.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 12:25 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:28 pm to
I've seen some reports from German media that were pretty wild. Their own defense ministry is saying they're 2-3 years out before they'll start seeing an impact of the measures they're implementing today. T
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:41 pm to
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I don't think a full-scale European invasion was the real concern. The real concern was with systematic little bites here and there which is what they have been doing. Ukraine is the current target and odds are the next up on their dance card WAS Trinistria/Moldova. You don't have to be Rasputin to predict the imperial dreams have resurfaced just look what they have done over the last couple of decades and they were going to continue until someone stopped them.


The trolls selectively never consider these smaller nations, so outsized by Russia in population, resources, armaments, etc, wouldn’t stand a chance without help, even if Russia is tactically inept. Then one day we wake up to a repeat of WWII looking like a bunch of idiots that learned nothing from tens of millions of dead.

All the proof you really need is right in Ukraine. They were allowed to nibble of the most important strategic piece to them and 8 years later went back to take the rest because they were unopposed.
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 12:50 pm to
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All the proof you really need is right in Ukraine. They were allowed to nibble of the most important strategic piece to them and 8 years later went back to take the rest because they were unopposed.


Exactly.

All my life Sweden has been a neutral nation. Look how fast they decided to get off the fence. Sweden knows the danger and acted.
People here covering for Putin need to look hard at Sweden and ask themselves, why are they so involved now?
Posted by DabosDynasty
Member since Apr 2017
5180 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:09 pm to
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Exactly.

All my life Sweden has been a neutral nation. Look how fast they decided to get off the fence. Sweden knows the danger and acted. People here covering for Putin need to look hard at Sweden and ask themselves, why are they so involved now?


Add Japan’s substantial aid to this as well. VERY unusual for them.
This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 1:10 pm
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:14 pm to
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Add Japan’s substantial aid to this as well. VERY unusual for them.


And people keep saying we are overreacting?
Posted by BambiisDead
Member since Mar 2023
188 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:32 pm to
I was personally involved on Twitter with helping expose Donbass Devushka and the other American LARPers who pretend to be Russian

Gonzalo Lira is the worst, who pretend to be in Kharkov but was deported last year

He even plays a fake air siren to pretend theres an air raid in his last "round table"

Ive been warning people about Maskirovka in the US for a year

All Russian support in the US is fake, almost all the major pro Russian accounts will be revealed as LARPers before long
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:39 pm to
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All Russian support in the US is fake, almost all the major pro Russian accounts will be revealed as LARPers before long


Heroes of the politards
Posted by BambiisDead
Member since Mar 2023
188 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:50 pm to
Joseph Flynn just wiped his Twitter due to his association with Sarah Bilas, aka Donbass Devushka hahahah
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8164 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 1:58 pm to
There will be corruption, look at New Orleans post-Katrina or whats happened with all the covid relief funds.

People are going to scam the system, it is human nature.

The only thing we can do is put in place systems to monitor and keep corruption under control.

This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 2:02 pm
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138898 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:35 pm to
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There will be corruption, look at New Orleans post-Katrina or whats happened with all the covid relief funds.

People are going to scam the system, it is human nature.

The only thing we can do is put in place systems to monitor and keep corruption under control.


Yes, because all the controls they put in place worked well for that. All the controls they had in place for rebuilding Afghanistan worked well too.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
15671 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 2:42 pm to
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There will be corruption, look at New Orleans post-Katrina or whats happened with all the covid relief funds.


That is what kept Shaw Group from going belly up. They made bank handling those block grants to the state for Gov Blank Zero. The cries of Halliburton, which via a subsidiary only had a Mississippi military base with existing emergency contracts on per unit (cubic yard, ton, whatever) basis competitively bid and won a couple of years earlier.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
24238 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:42 pm to
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Yes, because all the controls they put in place worked well for that. All the controls they had in place for rebuilding Afghanistan worked well too.

So, why are you acting like Ukraine is some arbitrary line in the sand when the same thing is, and has been, happening in your own backyard for a long time?
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138898 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 3:52 pm to
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So, why are you acting like Ukraine is some arbitrary line in the sand when the same thing is, and has been, happening in your own backyard for a long time?


I didn't. I responded to the flippant comment that "oh well, these things happen" to the tune of potentially trillions of dollars. It's insane how people have been conditioned to not only accept rampant corruption but to cheer it on as "the price of doing business". We wasted hundreds of billions of dollars via corruption in the GWOT and here we are not a year after it ended screaming how we need to implement the same failed tactics because "it's different this time". It's fricking maddening.
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
8596 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:18 pm to
Gotta give the Ukes credit, they have some badass looking camouflage patterns. Bradleys look awesome in that 3-D pixel style. Obviously they just were taken from the paint bay since the main gun is removed which is standard for repainting.

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This post was edited on 4/17/23 at 4:19 pm
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
42606 posts
Posted on 4/17/23 at 4:38 pm to
Be careful, next they are gonna tell us those tanks have Nazi symbols.
Posted by duggieblue
GA
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 4/17/23 at 5:21 pm to
Gulagu net, anti-Russian corruption and human rights group run by Russian in exile Vladimir Osechkin, has videos of two ex-commanders/convicts of Wagner (Azamat Uldarov and Aleksey Savichev) admitting to killing children and other atrocities. Last three of the same guy.

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