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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
Posted on 3/26/23 at 12:28 pm to GOP_Tiger
Interesting note from @DefMon3 about Russian progress in Avdiivka:
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According to RUMINT, UA lost SAM capabilities in the Avdiivka area and it has allowed the Russians to use attack aircraft on medium to high altitude in the area, out of range for MANPADS. This might explain why RuAF have had success.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:17 pm to cypher
Looks like it was a Tu-141 that hit south of Moscow.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 1:52 pm to Asharad
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You missed a few steps prior to 2014 which leads to Russia getting tired of our shite (pushing Ukraine to join EU and NATO). Wars and invasions don't "just happen". There is political action first, in this case EU and NATO fricking around with Russian boarder countries from 2000's onward.
No of which justified armed invasion for the goal of conquest of a neighbor.
With respect to the EU, no country should be afraid of another country entering a trade agreement
With respect to NATO, a defensive pact alliance should be encouraged. Had Ukraine been in NATO already then Russia would not have attacked. Because of NATO, we haven’t had a war (except a civil war) in Europe. Thus NATO with all its faults has served its purpose.
Russia invading Ukraine to “prevent NATO” from being on its border only added Sweden and find land to NATO thus adding more shared border to NATO
Russia wants to dominate the former SSR states that left the USSR. Russia doesn’t want them to be more European. Russia wants them to be under their sphere of influence
Posted on 3/26/23 at 2:23 pm to tigeraddict
The only written agreement that I am aware of is the one where the US and Russia agree to respect Ukraine's independence and borders when Ukraine gave up it's nukes.
... and I am not sure whether that was subject to Senate ratification.
..any other guarantees appear to be some flavor of verbal hearsay...
... and I am not sure whether that was subject to Senate ratification.
..any other guarantees appear to be some flavor of verbal hearsay...
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:05 pm to jeffsdad
From independent Russian outlet Meduza (now based in Latvia):
Wagner's convict ranks are gone.
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Wagner Group founder Evgeny Prigozhin says more than 5,000 former prisoners are now free since they received pardons after fulfilling contracts with Wagner Group.
Prigozhin adds that 0.31 percent of the prisoners who have returned to the Russian Federation committed new crimes within a month. He says that’s “10–20 times less than standard indicators” recorded before the start of the full-scale war in Ukraine.
“Basically, people who commit crimes [inflict] varying degrees of injury on people who yoke themselves to the Kyiv regime and oppose the work of the special military operation. Therefore, I can say with confidence: we’ve lowered crime in Russia tenfold, and we’ve trained former prisoners better than they trained Pioneers and Little Octobrists during Soviet times,” said Prigozhin.
Olga Romanova, head of the foundation Russia behind Bars, said in January that of the 50,000 former prisoners recruited by Wagner Group, only 10,000 remain with the private military company. “The rest have either been killed, wounded, gone MIA, deserted, or surrendered.”
Wagner's convict ranks are gone.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:12 pm to GOP_Tiger
Netanyahu fired his defense minister over not supporting his judicial reforms. Reservists are threshing to not respond to IDF service. Now the masses are protesting.
Not familiar with the judicial reforms proposed. From what I can quickly gather they seem to further consolidate control with the PM ie Netanyahu.
I assume this is somehow related to Netanyahu govt falling apart, then his regaining power. Does this have any tie to recent actions against Iran? Seems a terrible time to have this happen for them.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:17 pm to DabosDynasty
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Netanyahu fired his defense minister over not supporting his judicial reforms. Reservists are threshing to not respond to IDF service. Now the masses are protesting.
Israel has a small active duty force and most of their personnel power comes in the form of reservist.
On their last trip in to Lebanon about 40% of their reservist didnt report when called. Bibi is trying to tighten that up but their younger generation is similar to ours, they want nothing to do with the military.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:17 pm to GOP_Tiger
Two-part video (high quality) of Russians that have zero understanding of small unit tactics. Admittedly with the eye in the sky the scrub line might not have been as useful as without the observation but still advancing on an entrenched position in the open gets you dead. If you HAVE to do it at least use a bounding overwatch with some organized suppressive fire. It hurts my soul to watch these poor MFers.
The first video link leads to the thread with the second video.
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The first video link leads to the thread with the second video.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:18 pm to Lakeboy7
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On their last trip in to Lebanon about 40% of their reservist didnt report when called. Bibi is trying to tighten that up but their younger generation is similar to ours, they want nothing to do with the military.
Then yes this like a terrible time for this to happen. Any chance they were on the cusp of a major call up for confrontation with Iran?
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:19 pm to DabosDynasty
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Does this have any tie to recent actions against Iran?
Nope. It's purely about Netanyahu's desire to change Israel's legal system.
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Seems a terrible time to have this happen for them.
I mean, there really isn't ever a good time for your country to be consumed with violent protests. This is true for the French as well.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:22 pm to DabosDynasty
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Any chance they were on the cusp of a major call up for confrontation with Iran?
I'd say about 105% chance.
Israel cant let Iran have a cruise missile and military drone capability. The missiles being used by the Russians in Ukraine can easily hit any part of Israel.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:27 pm to GOP_Tiger
Interesting thought from Sir Lawrence Freedman:
I think he makes a valid point. We laugh at the Chinese "peace plan," but the implication of the deepening Russo-Chinese partnership (and its increasing tilt towards China as the strong partner in that deal) means that any real peach negotiations might involve China.
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If it is the case that attitudes towards cease-fires and eventual peace settlements depend on the outcomes of the battles for territory currently underway, and if Russia continues to underperform and decides it needs to pause the conflict and even find a way to wind it down, then Putin’s first call will most likely be to Xi. If this is at all possible Ukraine and its Western supporters to start work on how to respond. US Secretary of State Anthony Blinken has observed, ‘Ukraine will likely regain its territory through a mix of military and diplomatic means. ’ Any diplomatic means is likely to have a role for China.
One indication of whether a serious diplomatic initiative can develop may come with the visit of Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, to Beijing. He will soon take over the rotating presidency of the European Union. Sanchez has said that he will tell Xi ‘that it is the Ukrainians themselves who will lay down the conditions for the beginning of this peace, when it arrives,’ and that
‘the most important – the most fundamental – thing is to preserve an international rule-based order, which depends on respecting the UN charter. One of those fundamental principles is respecting territorial integrity – in this case the territorial integrity of Ukraine, which is being violated by President Putin.’
This is the core Western position and Ukraine’s conditions for peace depend on Russian withdrawal. That will not change. But it will be hard to ignore any movement on the Russian side if this is communicated through Beijing. President Macron is also scheduled to visit Beijing next month. Xi might like to work with Europeans on a new initiative if only to wean them away from the United States, assumed to be irredeemably hostile.
All this is speculative for now, but the Americans need to think about the implications of developments of this sort, not least because the Biden Administration will still be central to any future diplomacy, and it will not to be caught out by a flurry of activity that creates problems in trans-Atlantic relations.
I think he makes a valid point. We laugh at the Chinese "peace plan," but the implication of the deepening Russo-Chinese partnership (and its increasing tilt towards China as the strong partner in that deal) means that any real peach negotiations might involve China.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:32 pm to GOP_Tiger
China could be the exit Putin needs. If it’s as Chinese plan it might give Putin cover.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:39 pm to doubleb
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China could be the exit Putin needs. If it’s as Chinese plan it might give Putin cover.
China acting as peacemaker is actually good for Ukraine, that means no overt military assistance. They will continue to give things like body armor (wont stop a 7.62 x 39) and MREs but not introducing weapons systems.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:41 pm to GOP_Tiger
Of course China is looking for a way to elevate themselves on the world stage and to get inroads into the rebuilding of Ukraine (for self gain) and inroads to the EU, while pushing the US to the sidelines.
All the be found isolationist talk I the US plays into China’s hands. Rally make u wander I Chinese propaganda is pushing this…..
All the be found isolationist talk I the US plays into China’s hands. Rally make u wander I Chinese propaganda is pushing this…..
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:46 pm to tigeraddict
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Of course China is looking for a way to elevate themselves on the world stage
Yeah thats not what Putin wanted with the summit, he needs tanks, aircraft, missile systems etc. As long as they are holding themselves out as peacemaker Vlad wont get those things.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:48 pm to Lakeboy7
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Yeah thats not what Putin wanted with the summit, he needs tanks, aircraft, missile systems etc. As long as they are holding themselves out as peacemaker Vlad wont get those things.
That sounds like wishful thinking to me, but you may be right.
China is holding a lot of cards. Let’s see how they play them.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:56 pm to doubleb
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That sounds like wishful thinking to me, but you may be right.
This is a moment for them. But you cant be the white hat if you are actively contributing to one sides war effort.
And remember China doesnt give two shits about Russia as Putin just found out. China is shaping Russia for an exit but it will be to Chinas benefit not Russia. And Russia has to lay there and take it they cant do business with the west so their only lifeline is to do what China wants.
Posted on 3/26/23 at 3:58 pm to Lakeboy7
Despite Putin being the one actively at war, on the whole I think it seems more important that Xi got what he wanted as it relates to us.
In the past 30 days give or take:
Xi has brought Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria back into cooperation
Xi seems to have solidified a dominant position over Putin on the world stage
Whether an acceptable plan or not, Xi is the most significant global leader to propose a peace plan.
Saudi Aramco is now beginning construction on a massive refinery in China to support Saudi oil next quarter.
We’re in a tit for tat with Iran in Syria.
Israel now in real turmoil with the above as a back drop.
French protests, probably more of their usual but always a chance it’s not.
Honduras has now cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Obviously Honduras itself is not a big deal, just a marker that China is gaining significant influence in central and South America.
Xi is systemically undermining elements of American foreign policy and shifting key allegiances or at least US dominant relationships. That’s a hell of a 30 days for Xi and probably not so much for us long term.
In the past 30 days give or take:
Xi has brought Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Syria back into cooperation
Xi seems to have solidified a dominant position over Putin on the world stage
Whether an acceptable plan or not, Xi is the most significant global leader to propose a peace plan.
Saudi Aramco is now beginning construction on a massive refinery in China to support Saudi oil next quarter.
We’re in a tit for tat with Iran in Syria.
Israel now in real turmoil with the above as a back drop.
French protests, probably more of their usual but always a chance it’s not.
Honduras has now cut diplomatic ties with Taiwan. Obviously Honduras itself is not a big deal, just a marker that China is gaining significant influence in central and South America.
Xi is systemically undermining elements of American foreign policy and shifting key allegiances or at least US dominant relationships. That’s a hell of a 30 days for Xi and probably not so much for us long term.
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