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Posted on 1/16/23 at 8:32 am to GOP_Tiger
The young woman who was rescued from the 5th floor of the Dnipro building is 23-year-old Anastasia Shvets. Here's her Instragram.
She's "only been existing" since September, when her boyfriend was killed while fighting on the front lines. She lived in the apartment with her parents, and now, both of their bodies have been recovered from the rubble, so she's all alone.
She's "only been existing" since September, when her boyfriend was killed while fighting on the front lines. She lived in the apartment with her parents, and now, both of their bodies have been recovered from the rubble, so she's all alone.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:05 am to Lakeboy7
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Germany has strayed but they are being put back on the path as we speak. They have an easy choice, us or them and us has all the money and power.
And give Russia some credit, they have soft powered (bribes mostly) the frick out of Germany. But thats over.
is it over? because from my view germany and the rest of europe, save maybe the UK, are all still being pussies.
essentialyl they are dependent on US and we have showed we will come their rescue if needed and foot the bill time and time again
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And this is the reason that European countries aren’t giving up their jets and tanks to Ukraine in significant others. They still need to field their own armies even if it’s at the expense of Ukraine. And let’s be real, Germany and most of Europe isn’t going to ramp up production or start taking its militaries seriously again because we are once again proving that we will subsidize the defense of the entire continent. There is absolutely zero reason that Europe can’t be pulling the lion’s share of the weight in supporting Ukraine. They have strong economies and a robust manufacturing base. The simple fact is that they are spoiled children who know that daddy will come to the rescue anytime something bad happens.
this, absolutely this
now so far i have been happy with the ROI in ukraine, 5-7% of yearly defense budget and greater than 50% of russia conventional forces destroyed, economy destroyed, budget for icbm maintenance, training and guidance destroyed
but
at some point, europe with gets on fricking board and starts taking military funding seriously or we need to start kicking mother frickers out.
looking specifically at germany and a couple others who continue to bow to russia and are scared of them. either Nato is there to prevent the communist block(to some extents...russia, belarus, china etc) from attacking others or it isnt.
honestly the world is going into another cold war imo
russia, china, belarus, iran, NK
vs
NATO, Isreal, Pacrim countries of Japan, SK etc
either the countries start taking defense seriously and producing and investing what the contracts say....or we kick them out
Ukraine might be a complete corruot shithole but they have atleast shown they will fight, invest, invent and do whatever else they have to do
all while germany sits on there arse. mater of fact turkey has a shite ton of leopards and they need to start donating too.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:12 am to momentoftruth87
quote:i find this narrative to be absolutely fascinating
So let’s continue to pump money into death and destruction over Ukraine
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:18 am to lsu777
Most of Europe really has substantially increased their defense spending since the start of the war.
But not Germany. From last month:
Turkey's role in this conflict (and in NATO) is so complicated, but I don't think that they will give Leopards to Ukraine.
But not Germany. From last month:
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BERLIN — Germany on Monday walked back its promise to swiftly raise defense spending to at least 2 percent of its economic output — breaching the key commitment made days after Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to become a more serious military force.
Berlin also sought to play down internal warnings about delays to a flagship procurement of new fighter jets.
During a government press conference, Chief Spokesperson Steffen Hebestreit scaled down expectations for Germany’s defense spending, telling journalists that the 2 percent target would be missed not only this year, but also likely next year: “It’s still open whether that [goal] will be achieved” in 2023, Hebestreit said, adding that his “cautious expectation” was that Germany would still meet the target within this legislative period, which ends in 2025.
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turkey has a shite ton of leopards and they need to start donating too.
Turkey's role in this conflict (and in NATO) is so complicated, but I don't think that they will give Leopards to Ukraine.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:23 am to lsu777
I will give you a better example(s) of this than Germany. Belgium. Hungary and Bulgaria are two other countries that have provided little. Greece is another example. Italy has been very reluctant. Spain has done little. Romania almost nothing.
Welchers. A whole continent of welchers.
Welchers. A whole continent of welchers.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:37 am to AU86
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Belgium. Hungary and Bulgaria are two other countries that have provided little. Greece is another example. Italy has been very reluctant. Spain has done little. Romania almost nothing.
You are right that Belgium has done very little -- shameful. Hungary is basically on Russia's side. Greece has had lots of recent tension with Turkey and is hesitant to give anything up (plus, Russians normally spend a lot of money on vacations there). You are wrong about Italy -- they are sending what they can, including the recent announcement of SAMP air defense systems. Spain's military doesn't have a lot of good stuff to send, so it will be very interesting to see how many Leopards they give this week, as that's how I will judge them. Romania isn't quite like Hungary, but it's not far off, as a significant chunk of their population is pro-Russian.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 9:50 am to GOP_Tiger
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Most of Europe really has substantially increased their defense spending since the start of the war.
i know and have stated in the past, one of the good things about this war has been it was able to acchomplish 1 of Trumps stated goals for Nato to a certain exent. For all his faults, trump was 100000% right about the nato funding problem
and the whole issue is germany is almost the key to NATO on the European mainland side.
if germany doesnt want to then we need to go all in on poland. make them a key partner and over the course of the next 2-3 decades move key trading and manufacturing contracts currently with germany to poland.
as far as greece and turkey go.....shite has to be settled. cant have neighboring nato countries fighting. get on board or get the frick out. goes for both
Hungary is nato and eu....get on board or get the frick out.
you are either with us or you are with them....period. time for the US to start swinging a big dick or
europe(other than UK) can go eat a bag of dicks and fend for themselves and we leave nato and sign treaties with specific countries only that are willing to play ball or we start kicking members out of nato'
sorry but if we are going to fund pretty much everything, then it should be what we say goes, if not we take our toys and go home.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:19 am to lsu777
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is it over? because from my view germany and the rest of europe, save maybe the UK, are all still being pussies.
quote:
essentialyl they are dependent on US
You answered your own question.
We live in an immediate gratification world. Yes the Germans have been slow to act but that is shifting everyday. Its taking some time to root out the German politicians on Vlads payroll, outing their Minister of Defense is a big step.
Plus it was in their best interest to see how this plays out long term given their geo location.
So yes going forward Europe will do more to assist Ukraine with money and weapons and their own defense.
For those that are frustrated that there arent 3000 Abrams and 5 squadrons of F16s in Ukraine right now its similar to the above. Water and geo politics have to level before you can take action. A year in it absolutely is starting to level. I think Jan 20th will be a big day for Ukraine.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:34 am to Lakeboy7
Germany isn’t going to change its course. Neither are most other European countries for that matter. They may make some symbolic but insignificant contributions to Ukraine and slightly increase defense spending but it won’t be anything worth talking about in civilized conversation. Europeans as a whole are more than content to let Ukraine do the dying and the US do the spending as long as they can all enjoy their free healthcare, education and pensions. It’s a spoiled continent full of children that frankly isn’t worth defending anymore.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:44 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Europeans as a whole are more than content to let Ukraine do the dying and the US do the spending as long as they can all enjoy their free healthcare, education and pensions. It’s a spoiled continent full of children that frankly isn’t worth defending anymore.
This.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:46 am to GOP_Tiger
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Romania isn't quite like Hungary, but it's not far off, as a significant chunk of their population is pro-Russian.
I would say Bulgaria is more pro Russian than Romania.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:47 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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Germany isn’t going to change its course. Neither are most other European countries for that matter. They may make some symbolic but insignificant contributions to Ukraine and slightly increase defense spending but it won’t be anything worth talking about in civilized conversation. Europeans as a whole are more than content to let Ukraine do the dying and the US do the spending as long as they can all enjoy their free healthcare, education and pensions. It’s a spoiled continent full of children that frankly isn’t worth defending anymore.
100%
they are quite ok with lettign the US foot the bill and provide protection so they can have their social programs.
they dont deserve our protection in many cases. but right now not a lot we can do as upsetting the apple cart will frick our economy even faster than it is already being fricked
Posted on 1/16/23 at 10:56 am to lsu777
The past few pages of this thread have done nothing but make the case for the US leaving NATO. Hungary is basically Pro-Russia, the German government is full of Russian supporters who’ve been bribed by the Kremlin. The majority of the rest of Western Europe can be bothered to increase spending in a significant way even when the Russians are invading one of THEIR neighbors. Greece and Turkey threatening to go to war with each other every other month so they can’t be bothered to help.
If everyone would take a step back and look at the big picture we’d all realize just how insane the whole situation is. Hell, most of Europe and a large portion of the US electorate and media declared Angela fricking Merkel as the leader of the free world when Trump was elected
What a fricking clown show
If everyone would take a step back and look at the big picture we’d all realize just how insane the whole situation is. Hell, most of Europe and a large portion of the US electorate and media declared Angela fricking Merkel as the leader of the free world when Trump was elected
What a fricking clown show Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:22 am to GeauxxxTigers23
The US isn’t leaving NATO. Western Europe will come out of this stronger than ever.
Look, get some black skinny jeans, some nice leather driving Mocs, and a cappuccino with skim range free milk and enjoy the Russians getting worked.
Look, get some black skinny jeans, some nice leather driving Mocs, and a cappuccino with skim range free milk and enjoy the Russians getting worked.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:47 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The past few pages of this thread have done nothing but make the case for the US leaving NATO.
Yeah, let's let Russia rule the world. Why don't you just move there first, spend a year in Perm or Novosibirsk, and then let us know if you still want to follow through with that plan.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:50 am to Lakeboy7
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The US isn’t leaving NATO. Western Europe will come out of this stronger than ever.
please my arse
and no mistake i still think the war is a good ROI for america and im an america first guy.
but europe isnt waking up to shite. 6 months ago i thought that was true...realize now, anything but same old song and dance
quote:
The past few pages of this thread have done nothing but make the case for the US leaving NATO. Hungary is basically Pro-Russia, the German government is full of Russian supporters who’ve been bribed by the Kremlin. The majority of the rest of Western Europe can be bothered to increase spending in a significant way even when the Russians are invading one of THEIR neighbors. Greece and Turkey threatening to go to war with each other every other month so they can’t be bothered to help.
If everyone would take a step back and look at the big picture we’d all realize just how insane the whole situation is. Hell, most of Europe and a large portion of the US electorate and media declared Angela fricking Merkel as the leader of the free world when Trump was elected What a fricking clown show
exactly. frick germany, frick greece and their bullshite and frick turkey for being a muslim shithole
frick russia most of all though
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:50 am to GOP_Tiger
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Yeah, let's let Russia rule the world. Why don't you just move there first, spend a year in Perm or Novosibirsk, and then let us know if you still want to follow through with that plan.
How could Russia possibly rule the world? Name a realistic scenario where Russia rules anything. I mean they’ve done nothing but prove they’re a second rate military and economic power. Hell, even the second rate militaries of Western Europe could handle Russia without our help.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:51 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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The past few pages of this thread have done nothing but make the case for the US leaving NATO.
Posted on 1/16/23 at 11:55 am to GeauxxxTigers23
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How could Russia possibly rule the world? Name a realistic scenario where Russia rules anything. I mean they’ve done nothing but prove they’re a second rate military and economic power. Hell, even the second rate militaries of Western Europe could handle Russia without our help.
Well they do have those hypersonic things. And Russia just doesn’t give up, nor contemplate defeat.
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