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Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:27 pm to
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:27 pm to
Interesting Twitter thread on comparing Russian and Ukrain attack strategies. I have linked the Threadreader unroll below.



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Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:42 pm to
Page 2000, the thread was started on 2/21/22.

One lesson we have learnt over this time period is you can’t trust Ivan around anything that is flammable or explosive.

Amazed how this political and military situation has played out.

The “experts” in February didn’t predict that we’d be here (in the present military scenario) in October.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/15/22 at 11:57 pm to
Longest thread in OT history?
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 12:44 am to
2000 nice
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:12 am to
So here we are and what have we learned?

Russian military is 3rd world bad and poorly run. They were clearly portrayed as a great threat by our military industrial complex to make us spend stupid money on military we didn’t need to do.

Ukrainian are much more capable then we thought.

US and NATO weapon systems are vastly superior.

Putin is no genius and is has screwed himself by overplaying his hand.

Russian shite breaks and they run out of spare parts at about 6 months.

This is a Russian Vietnam, they have painted themselves into a corner and it’s a matter of time before someone takes Putin out now


Posted by ned nederlander
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 1:26 am to
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Page 2000, the thread was started on 2/21/22.


I’d like to see an Oscar’s style in memorium to Lima, Ruff Fish and other posters lost over the course of this thread.
Posted by Chromdome35
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 3:56 am to
A sociologist would probably find the ebb and flow of this thread very interesting.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:26 am to
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A sociologist would probably find the ebb and flow of this thread very interesting.
Several of the most frequent posters here would have earned this clinical diagnosis:

Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:08 am to
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 16 October 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE

On 10 October 2022, Russia probably fired more than 80 cruise missiles into Ukraine. President Putin claimed the strikes were in retaliation for the attack on the Kerch Bridge.

Ukraine's defence ministry reported that more than half of the projectiles were shot down, but dozens struck Kyiv and other population centres, killing civilians and damaging civil infrastructure.

Russia's defence industry is probably incapable of producing advanced munitions at the rate they are being expended. These attacks represent a further degradation of Russia's long-range missile stocks, which is likely to constrain their ability to strike the volume of targets they desire in future.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 7:16 am
Posted by cypher
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:20 am to
Washington Post: Iran plans to send ballistic missiles, drones to Russia
October 16, 2022 12:33 pm

The Washington Post reported, citing unnamed U.S. and allied security officials, that Iran is preparing the first shipment of Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar missiles for Russia.

Fateh-110 and Zolfaghar are Iranian short-range ballistic missiles capable of striking targets at distances of 300 and 700 kilometers, respectively.

Earlier on Oct. 11, President Volodymyr Zelensky said that Russia ordered 2,400 kamikaze Shahed-136 drones from Iran for its war in Ukraine. At least hundreds of them have already been delivered, according to Ukraine's intelligence. Ukraine's military reports downing Iranian-made drones on a daily basis.

The U.S. imposed sanctions on four Iranian companies and one individual for the development and shipment of Iranian drones to Russia. According to Reuters, the European Union ministers will also consider sanctions on Iran for providing Russia with drones.

Iran denied supplying the weapons to Russia.
Posted by LSUCanFAN
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:21 am to
Topic of conversation(s) this morning was factional intercene violence and what happens after Vlad is gone. The main players are at each other’s throats and it’s getting ugly. WG was an insurance policy for VP but it has destroyed trad Military structures and weakened the FSB and GRU to the point of operational effectiveness has been massively compromised. Look Putin knows both the GRU and FSB in microscopic detail and is believed to have learned how their forerunners helped take down every single leader and in his case eased out Boris Yeltsin and allowed for his ascendancy. Billions of dollars have been siphoned off from Military GRU and FSB over the last 20 years. Lots of money have been given strategically to oligarchs or pocketed by VP but the best/worst money has been diverted to WG. At the moment VP is allowing the things he feels help WG to play out. Bolograd yesterday further weakens the military and GRU but is fricking awful for the optics of mobilization C n C. It’s a gambit amongst many gambits. It’s also indicative according to my Baltic friends of off-roading. There are many many unstable ex military and unstable people that have been swept up in the mobilization. I’m hearing 15-20% of people being sent to frontlines with little or no training are undesirables, these people being dead pose very little difficulties for VP. Another 40% are of the Stans variety and this used to not bother Russia proper but this is rapidly devolving into a huge problem as political leaders in the Stans aren’t able to explain their high mobilization and subsequent casualty rates. The last group is Russians viewed as Russians by Russians. The alarm bells are going off in the Kremlin, these people when they die or are maimed can’t be ignored. This is happening with increasing frequency and in high profile ways. I’m not going to explain how the Russian people absolutely revere their military since the time of the tsars or how after WWII there has been an odd cult surrounding it. What I will say is that people I’ve talked to this morning are saying VP may not be able to control the narrative anymore about how weakened the military has become under his watch. Soviet style show trials are being scheduled, denouncements are starting to happen, people are physically disappearing in the internet age. Last but not least NATO guys are saying there is a strong possibility that 80k RU are dead. Not including WG. That there have been tens of thousands of phone calls and emails asking about the whereabouts of soldiers from families that haven’t heard from their loved ones in weeks or months after regular contact. The chatter in intercepts have been about rates of loss and lack of information about the injured and wounded, as in where are they? Once they are “evacuated” no one hears from them again.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:34 am to
Pure fantasy
Posted by TheGasMan
Member since Oct 2014
3485 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:37 am to
quote:

striking targets at distances of 300 and 700 kilometers

quote:

Iranian built

With an accuracy of probably 3-7 kilometers.

Is Iran going to send a few F-14s as well?
Posted by SDVTiger
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:42 am to
quote:

Pure fantasy


Dude posts walls of texts claiming he has insider info
Nothing posted has ever come true
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:43 am to
quote:

This is a Russian Vietnam


Not a Russian Vietnam because Russia has the Donbas and a land bridge to Crimea. What did the USA win in Vietnam?
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 7:51 am to
Timothy Snyder has been a great read.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:00 am to
Large Russian and Belorussian troop and armor buildup in Belarus in the direction of Kiev. Wat mean? LINK
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:31 am to
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troop and armor buildup in Belarus in the direction of Kiev. Wat mean


9000 troops won't be enough for an offensive so I'm guessing it's to park UKR troops away from the front


I'm still curious if the Russian soldiers in Moldova/Transnistria have rotated out at all since this all began.
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:41 am to
quote:

Russian "Gazprom" threatens to stop gas supplies to the European Union if the member states introduce price restrictions on the energy carrier.

We are guided by the contracts that have been signed. Such a unilateral decision is, of course, a violation of the essential terms of the contract, which causes the cessation of supplies," said the head of Gazprom, Oleksiy Miller.


LINK

Put us making you pay in rubles totally doesn't violate the contract
Posted by StormyMcMan
USA
Member since Oct 2016
4669 posts
Posted on 10/16/22 at 8:43 am to
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The Serbian Government has just announced the closure of its Embassy in the Ukrainian Capital of Kyiv in order to insure the “Security of its Officials”.

This comes around 48 hours after Serbia, Tajikistan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, and now also China have ordered their Citizens to leave Ukraine Immediately.


LINK

This gives me more pause than the troop build up honestly, but then again why wouldn't a government tell their citizens to get out of a war zone
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