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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:48 pm to DabosDynasty
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:48 pm to DabosDynasty
agreed 
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:48 pm to StormyMcMan
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The thing about BKR is he goes back and forth between actively trolling and then seeking info/trying to provide actual data.
Yeah but in a weird way that blurs lines almost like he’s altering himself without an a separate account.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 6:53 pm to DabosDynasty
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That’s fine, but makes no sense to fight for Taiwan and not Texas lol
The conditions were these two voting to join their invaders. No, if Texas is invaded, fight like hell. That is not what I said.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:14 pm to OMLandshark
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quote: so if Mexico invaded Texas, and Texas decided it wanted to be part of Mexico - by your logic, Washington should have no say?
Yep. That is indeed my logic.
Idk how else to take that
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:16 pm to OMLandshark
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quote: so if Mexico invaded Texas, and Texas decided it wanted to be part of Mexico - by your logic, Washington should have no say? Yep. That is indeed my logic.
My god this is pathetic. Estrogen levels on a billion
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:17 pm to OMLandshark
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The conditions were these two voting to join their invaders. No, if Texas is invaded, fight like hell. That is not what I said.
Ummmm
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so if Mexico invaded Texas, and Texas decided it wanted to be part of Mexico - by your logic, Washington should have no say?
Yep. That is indeed my logic.
LINK
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:27 pm to StormyMcMan
Looks like the U.S. is adopting a modified version of the Archer wheeled 155 mm howitzer that BAE produces. I’m surprised we have held onto our M109 Paladins for so long just continuing to improve them but they are still limited in their mobility because they are tracked vehicles.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:40 pm to DabosDynasty
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Idk how else to take that
I think a state should be able to secede from Union and join another country if they choose to. We are the United States, and as a libertarian I think the states come over the federal government. So sorry, I’d be livid if Texas did this and would defend the state to the death if they were invaded, but no, this should be legal. My perspective on this horror show should it come to pass:
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:42 pm to StormyMcMan
I’m obviously implying a free and fair election to do this.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:42 pm to OMLandshark
Interesting article for the Europe is going to freeze crowd. Russian access to the European energy market is likely in a ten year penalty box.
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“Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday offered to resume gas supplies to Europe through the intact part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.”
“Germany, however, said it would not take Russian gas via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that has become a flashpoint in the Ukraine crisis.”
“Asked if Berlin would rule out the use of Nord Stream 2, German government spokeswoman Christiane Hoffmann said, "Yes."
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“Russian President Vladimir Putin on Wednesday offered to resume gas supplies to Europe through the intact part of the Nord Stream 2 gas pipeline.”
“Germany, however, said it would not take Russian gas via the Nord Stream 2 pipeline that has become a flashpoint in the Ukraine crisis.”
“Asked if Berlin would rule out the use of Nord Stream 2, German government spokeswoman Christiane Hoffmann said, "Yes."
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:43 pm to OMLandshark
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True freedom is my ultimate ideology.
It definitely isn't.
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if the Texans legally wanted to secede to form their own country or go join another country and aren’t violently coerced into it, I think they should be allowed to do so.
There has been no case of unilateral secession being recognized internationally since 1945 you dumb dipshit. You don't ever understand the implications of your arguments, do you?
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So I’d be a fricking hypocrite if I said “no” even if I personally don’t like it (I’d be pissed at Texas in this hypothetical in another words). I know what I’m requesting of Ukraine saying they need to let the Donbas go in the name of peace, and I’d be a complete piece of shite for not saying “yes” to that hypothetical. So wouldn’t like it in that hypothetical, but I need to remain consistent in my ideology.
You are a hypocrite and a dumbass too. Consistency in 'ideology' is the logic of extremists.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:44 pm to OMLandshark
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I think a state should be able to secede from Union and join another country if they choose to.
Great. You are dumb as frick.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 7:49 pm to LSUPilot07
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I’m surprised we have held onto our M109 Paladins for so long just continuing to improve them but they are still limited in their mobility because they are tracked vehicles.
mounting cannon arty on wheeled vehicles requires a softer recoil system...which requires a ton of new development....which is hard to justify when the range/capability wont be improved.
there is a small effort to put a 105 on a wheeled vehicle:
LINK
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:00 pm to OMLandshark
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I think a state should be able to secede from Union and join another country if they choose to. We are the United States, and as a libertarian I think the states come over the federal government. So sorry, I’d be livid if Texas did this and would defend the state to the death if they were invaded, but no, this should be legal.
As do I, but the pretext to it in your own example was after being invaded.
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I’m obviously implying a free and fair election to do this.
There is no assumption of a free and fair election post an invasion.
If a state voted to leave on their own, fine. Hell I’m a South Carolinian FFS. I wish some states would leave on their own. But if Mexico or Canada or Russia invaded a state and held a referendum the results are moot because there’s no reasonable belief it was free and fair. Same with the original so example of the eastern Ukrainian oblasts. No way that’s free and fair after Russia has been there and displaced most of the natives.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:03 pm to DabosDynasty
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As do I, but the pretext to it in your own example was after being invaded.
What I was meaning is up until the point they agree to join their invader and doing so willingly, not through violent coercion. Parts of Eastern Ukraine voted to join Russia years ago.
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If a state voted to leave on their own, fine.
This happened in Ukraine though where the Russians are running right now.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:05 pm to OMLandshark
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What I was meaning is up until the point they agree to join their invader and doing so willingly, not through violent coercion. Parts of Eastern Ukraine voted to join Russia years ago.
What? Are you referring to the 2014 referendums?
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This happened in Ukraine though where the Russians are running right now.
Again, what?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:31 pm to crazy4lsu
You can tell it’s a slow night in this thread when all we’ve got to do is to joust with OML’s many personalities.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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What? Are you referring to the 2014 referendums?
I believe it was voted in 2018. Heard it from Jimmy Dore, so need to dig.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:37 pm to Kentucker
ISW Update
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Russia has seemingly intensified its information operation to falsely portray Ukraine as a terrorist state, likely to set information conditions to counter efforts to designate Russia as a terrorist state.
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Russian forces may have brought Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)-affiliated personnel to occupied areas in Ukraine to train Russian troops in the use of Shahed-136 drones.
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Key Takeaways
Russia is intensifying efforts to set information conditions to falsely portray Ukraine as a terrorist state to deflect recent calls to designate Russia as a terrorist state.
Russian forces may have imported Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC)-affiliated personnel to occupied areas in Ukraine to train Russian troops in the use of Shahed-136 drones.
Russian sources claimed that Ukrainian troops continued counteroffensive operations toward Svatove and Kreminna. Russian forces are continuing defensive operations in this area.
Russian sources continued to claim that Ukrainian forces are conducting ground attacks in northwestern and western Kherson Oblast.
Russian forces conducted ground attacks around Bakhmut and Avdiivka.
Russian forces are likely reinforcing the frontline in western Zaporizhia Oblast.
The Russian military continues to face problems equipping individual Russian soldiers with basic personal equipment.
Russian and occupation administration officials continue to employ coercive measures against residents in Russian-occupied territories.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:40 pm to Kentucker
quote:Are any of them sane?
You can tell it’s a slow night in this thread when all we’ve got to do is to joust with OML’s many personalities.
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