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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 10/8/22 at 2:51 pm to
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 2:51 pm to
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Ryan C @LIM49Spartan · 7h @TrentTelenko, I am seeing some rumors that a boat was passing under the Kerch Strait bridge just before it exploded. ??If true, it means JAVAMAN rides again. For those of you who don't know, JAVAMAN was part of the overall US effort to develop robot drones in WW2.
Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 2:56 pm to
Satellite image of the bridges:


Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:00 pm to
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Trent Telenko @TrentTelenko · 5h The destruction of the Kerch Bridge is a classic case of "F--k Around and Find Out." Invade and ethnically cleanse a Viking vendetta culture for the crime of not being Russian. And you are going to generate Berserkergang men willing to ride 40 tons of explosive to Valhalla.
Posted by tigeraddict
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:02 pm to
U can now see burn area on top of the bridge on both the sections that collapsed and the adjacent road that is still open.

Posted by GOP_Tiger
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:07 pm to
If it were a boat strike, then there should be burn damage under the bridge:





There isn't. The logical explanation has always been the obvious one: Ukraine hit the bridge with whatever missile they used to hit Saki air base in Crimea back in August.

Either they got a few ATACMS from the US, or this is the Grim/Grom/Hrim missile that Ukraine had supposedly developed before the war, and they have continued to produce a few of these missiles at a time as they are able.
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:18 pm to
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So, now that we know more about the damage situation, what's the impact of the strike? It does complicate Russian logistics somewhat, but I think the bigger impact is psychological: Ukraine shows Russia that they are going to lose everything that they ever gained in Ukraine. The Kerch Bridge, like the Moskva, has been a symbol of Russian dominance. And everyone on both sides now knows that Ukraine has the capability to strike the bridge again -- it has the smell of doom on it.


Train is so much easier and it costs real money and extra time to transship from rail to small ship to shore to whatever. This is the case even with "free" labor. Even before the Interstate Highway System rail transportation was being eclipsed by truck transportation in the USA for such a reason plus more flexibilty
Posted by CitizenK
BR
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:27 pm to
BTW, the proclamation that the bridge is built to withstand a nuclear blast is a red herring. I well remember when a h.s. and college friend was on the management team for Shell as a civil engineer, for the construction of Bullwinkle jacket and platform. He stated that offshore jackets and caissons were built to withstand a nuclear blast because the sea is more powerful. Yet during major hurricanes they can be lifted (from wave action) out of their pilings and toppled.
This post was edited on 10/8/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:29 pm to
The rail bridge is a good distance from the explosion site. I suppose shrapnel from the blast could have hit the fuel tankers. That would seem to eliminate an under-the-bridge explosion, leaving a missile strike or a truck bomb as the most likely causes.

I hesitate to think that someone sacrificed himself in a truck bomb. Also, Russia inspects vehicles at both ends of the bridge for explosive materials.

The precision of the strike is remarkable. It seems that the Ukes went for a twofer, collapse the car and truck lanes and nail a fuel tanker train, too, causing damage to the train bridge. Well done.

Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:37 pm to
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You miscalculate. If you don't think Russia losing significant military battles brings the possibility of nukes being used you are mistaken. I don't know exactly how close but it damn sure is closer to reality than infinite and always has been. Surely any sane person can see it is closer today than it was a couple of months ago.


I am always fascinated when someone makes a sober full-throated retort to a post but clearly misses the point of the post. UndercoverBryologist was making a Zeno cum calculus point. One can halve the distance between two points and an infinite number of times and still be more than an infinite number of halves away from the second point.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:46 pm to
Kentucker, That looks more like lifted from below than from a bomb from above. It still could set off BLAZES in the multiple tanks cars above which it did, unless another charge was planted on a tank car. The rail bridge was definitely weakened from the heat of the tank cars which burned for hours, flame was coming out of both sides from under the rail bridge.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:47 pm to
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I hesitate to think that someone sacrificed himself in a truck bomb. Also, Russia inspects vehicles at both ends of the bridge for explosive materials.


Suicide attacks aren't historically limited to middle eastern cultures. Apart from the kamikazes, they've usually been impromptu, but they've occurred, including by Europeans and Americans. MAJ Lofton Henderson was one example, for whom Henderson field was named. He deliberately dove his plane into a Japanese cruiser.
Posted by sugar71
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Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:52 pm to
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Try to spin it however you want the terrorist attack on the bridge was an abject failure. Well unless the intention was only to murder innocent civilians


Striking a strategic bridge while being in an active state of war is by definition not a “terrorist” attack, especially if you do it at a low traffic time (see video).

On top of that, if the end result is the bridge is usable for low level passenger traffic but you can’t do a heavy haul on it, it becomes the best possible outcome - military resupply is disrupted while civilians can still make use of the bridge.


Putin Boys are now worried about innocent civilians after carpet artillery shelling of ethnic Russians/ Russian speakers in Mariupol, Kharkiv, Severodonetsk-Lysychansk, etc... ?
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:52 pm to
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I am always fascinated when someone makes a sober full-throated retort to a post but clearly misses the point of the post. UndercoverBryologist was making a Zeno cum calculus point.


Maybe a more apropos metaphor would be a Red Queen? In any case, the point is the pants-wetters will constantly say we’re on the verge of nuclear war and constantly getting closer, but we never seem to get there.

Last night when news of the bridge explosion broke, you could have sworn by some people’s reactions that the missiles would be launched within hours…but here we are…watching football on Saturday afternoon like nothings going to happen.
Posted by BrianKellyRespecter
Member since Aug 2022
534 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:52 pm to
Freight traffic is already back up and running on the rail bridge. Ukes were probably counting on taking the bridge out as part of the planned Zaphorzhzhia offensive. This is a yuge L for Ukraine. They won't even formally admit they did it despite bragigng about it on Twitter. Hilarious. Probably going to be saying it was a Russian false flag by tomorrow even though they printed stamps of it clow show. Tick tock the mobilized Russian forces will be at the front in about one month's time so any further setbacks for Ukraine in the coming weeks will likely be outcome-determinative of the entire war.
Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:54 pm to
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This is a yuge L for Ukraine. They won't even formally admit they did it despite bragigng about it on Twitter. Hilarious. Probably going to be saying it was a Russian false flag by tomorrow even though they printed stamps of it clow show. Tick tock the mobilized Russian forces will be at the front in about one month's time so any further setbacks for Ukraine in the coming weeks will likely be outcome-determinative of the entire war.

We appreciate it WarPeej
Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:56 pm to
So, tell me how luxurious Putin's bunker is?
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
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Posted on 10/8/22 at 3:59 pm to
3 dead Russians and Logistics hindered. Sounds somewhat successful!!
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3008 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 4:00 pm to
Kissing the ICON. LMAO
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13133 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 4:02 pm to
Yeah, he had this on the scoreboard. I think he was talking about Putin but can't do so directly with his minders watching.

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Didn’t have the team ready to play. Didn’t have the scheme. Yes the players didn’t execute great (in fact with some notable exceptions they executed like shite) but imo this one is on the coaching staff for not having these guys ready to compete. Very disappointing.
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
3008 posts
Posted on 10/8/22 at 4:02 pm to
They have more missles!!!
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