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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:03 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:03 am to Ace Midnight
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Oh, I think this is bad, long-term, for Russia. But it is bad for the West, too, as China (and, to a lesser degree, India) will fill that void, not a visibly, palpably weakened U.S. and Europe.
How?
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Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:04 am to Ace Midnight
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It is almost as if someone (not Putin) had a long-term plan that WAS working. I just wonder who that might be.
Xi wonder who it could be?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:04 am to jimmy the leg
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:05 am to Ace Midnight
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Oh, I think this is bad, long-term, for Russia. But it is bad for the West, too
this we can agree on. i dont know if it will be bad for the west but if the rebuild in Ukraine is not handled correctly or the regime cahnge in russia that is coming isnt handle correctly the status quo pre 2014 or even pre 2022 would have been better
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as China (and, to a lesser degree, India) will fill that void, not a visibly, palpably weakened U.S. and Europe.
i actually think this lessens Chinas influence in Europe and makes them rethink taiwan and makes the reevaluate thier own doctrine
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It is almost as if someone (not Putin) had a long-term plan that WAS working. I just wonder who that might be.
as far as Chinas plan...the whole CCP plan has worked but we could break them quickly and i think if trump would have gotten a 2nd term, he would have broken them and crushed their economy that is simply propped up.
would that have hurt the US economy...absolutely but long term it has to happen and we have to move everythign we can back home and or to mexico.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:09 am to crazy4lsu
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How?
Because 2 countries with almost a third of the world's population are building coal plants so quickly as to make Greta's head spin. They will be energy rich while the West is committing slow motion suicide via green "energy".
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:11 am to Ace Midnight
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palpably weakened U.S. and Europe.
Uh huh
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:19 am to Ace Midnight
I have said this in other threads, but China is playing the long game here and doing everything it can to help us self destruct.
We have states talking about phasing out ICE vehicles when we don't have the infrastructure to support the alternative...all while China builds Coal plants at breakneck speed. Any gains the Earth might get from widespread EV adoption in the US, are going to be far outweighed by China's increase in coal generation.
We frick ourselves while China gets more powerful.
We have states talking about phasing out ICE vehicles when we don't have the infrastructure to support the alternative...all while China builds Coal plants at breakneck speed. Any gains the Earth might get from widespread EV adoption in the US, are going to be far outweighed by China's increase in coal generation.
We frick ourselves while China gets more powerful.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:20 am to Ace Midnight
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Because 2 countries with almost a third of the world's population are building coal plants so quickly as to make Greta's head spin. They will be energy rich while the West is committing slow motion suicide via green "energy".
i think that changes after reality sets in. i do agree though.
its fricking stupid, we are at the same place carbon and pollution wise 2 decades ago with way more population....yet we want to commit suicide by going 100% green(even though doesnt work and does opposite on what it says) all while giving China the power with the need for lithium. Lithium mining destroys the environment worse tahn anything and we are allowing china and india to build and polute however they please.
i still think long term though this hurts china.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:21 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You advocate war, but for others.
Ukraine didn’t advocate war. Russia invaded Ukraine and took Crimea. They have actively enabled rebels in eastern Ukraine too.
In February Russia launched another invasion targeting the capital, eastern Ukraine and southern Ukraine.
The war has continued because of Russia not the US, Europe or NATO.
We got very involved with Ukraine when with Russian help we negotiated Ukraine’s giving up their nukes in return for a pledge by the US and Russia to protect Ukranian sovereignty.
Now I don’t know about everyone here, but I believe when the US makes a pledge we need to live up to the pledge. If not we are toast when it comes to future negotiations or treaties. Why would any nation cut a deal with us if we don’t live up to what we say?
This is Russia’s war. They decided they wanted part or all of the Ukraine. The war continued longer than anyone thought because Ukraine stood tall, the west provided help and Russia failed in their attacks. It will continue until Russia sees that they need to make peace.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:23 am to doubleb
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Ukraine didn’t advocate war. Russia invaded Ukraine and took Crimea.
I don't live in either, no skin in the game and nothing that happens will affect my life, unless the US gets involved.
Not our war. This is entertainment for most Americans.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 11:25 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:26 am to SOSFAN
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Why are the majority,in this thread, act like everything is going great for Ukraine?
Because they just undid 4 month's worth of Russian gains in 4 days.
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Putin just took the gloves off and had 50% of Ukraine energy infrastructure destroyed in 2.5 hours...hours not days.
No he did not. He fired 11 cruise missiles at Ukraine. 9 of the 11 were intercepted by Ukraine's new western SAM systems. The 2 missiles that were not intercepted hit a power plant in the Dnipro area and the Kharkiv Oblasts. That resulted in power outages in the Dnipropetrovisk oblast, Donetsk, Kharkiv Oblast, Poltava Oblasts, Odessa Oblast, and Sumy Oblasts. Power was restored to the Dnipropetrovisk oblast, the Odessa oblast, the Poltava oblast, and the Sumy Oblast within 3 hours of the strikes. That is not destroying 50% of the energy infrastructure in Ukraine at all.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:26 am to doubleb
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This is Russia’s war.
It is, and the United States, I mean the West, is going to win it. On the ground, economically and geo politically.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I don't live in either, no skin in the game and nothing that happens will affect my life, unless the US gets involved. Not our war. This is entertainment for most Americans.
Then you believe the US should not have cut a deal to take away Ukraine’s nukes? Or you believe we don’t have to honor our deals?
I say that because that is why we are involved,
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:29 am to RogerTheShrubber
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John Kerry is already trumping the Ukrainian Marshall plan as well as several other world Karens.
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The West = USA. Expect massive grift and corruption.
Meh it will come from assets that the USA and the west has seized from Russia. Who cares if the Ukrainians steals money that was stolen from the Russian people by the Russian oligarchs?
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:31 am to WeeWee
quote:sounds like some "aid" will be headed that way in the name of rebuilding, but some of us know that "aid" will make a long detour through a lot of bank accounts of well connected people.
2 missiles that were not intercepted hit a power plant in the Dnipro area and the Kharkiv Oblasts.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:37 am to Ace Midnight
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Because 2 countries with almost a third of the world's population are building coal plants so quickly as to make Greta's head spin. They will be energy rich while the West is committing slow motion suicide via green "energy".
What? India approved one coal plant in 2021. In contrast, there are currently 11 nuclear power plants being built in addition to the 8 already operating, as India's long-term plans include building up a nuclear power capacity of 60 GW by 2032. Currently, renewables give them between 110 to 150 GW depending on the source, while coal alone gives them 200 GW. In addition to the nuclear plan, they also want to produce more than 400 GW from renewable energy alone. LINK
In addition India and Iran have long flirted with a gas deal, with India a possible partner in the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline. I'm very skeptical of the claim that India is building coal plants to make up any possible energy shortfall.
I know less about China's energy policy, but the 14th Five-Year Plan states in Article XI, Section 3 titled 'Build a modern infrastructure system' that they
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will promote the energy revolution, build a clean, low-carbon, safe, and efficient energy system, and improve energy supply assurance capabilities. We will accelerate the development of non-fossil energy, adhere to both centralized and distributed methods simultaneously, vigorously increase the scale of wind power and photovoltaic power generation, accelerate the development of distributed energy in the eastern and central regions, orderly develop offshore wind power, accelerate the construction of the Southwest Hydropower Base, safely and steadily promote the construction of coastal nuclear power, build a batch of multi-energy complementarity clean energy bases, and increase the proportion of non-fossil energy in total energy consumption to about 20%.
They also say later that they will 'reasonably control the intensity of coal development in certain regions' while also promoting its use in a 'green-friendly' manner in resource-rich regions.
In short, India seems far more focused on green energy than you contend, and China's language is very measured on coal. I don't buy that 'they will be so energy rich' if energy rich means just coal.
This post was edited on 9/12/22 at 11:39 am
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:39 am to tigervetatsea
If you have about 5 minutes check out this "roundtable" on Russian State TV where voices of opposition to the war (funny, they are not calling it by that stupid military operation termm anymore!) are blasting what is going on.
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LINK
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:40 am to tigervetatsea
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#Ukrainian Operational Command South confirms that "some" #Russian forces along the #Kherson front are currently negotiating their surrender. Scope is still unclear.
The Ukrainian government has confirmed the internet rumors that some of the Russian forces in the Kherson pocket are negotiating for their surrender. These are different negotiations from the ones held on Saturday night and Sunday morning. The scale of the surrender is TBD, but this is definitely worth watching and will likely happen in the next 24-36 hours
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:45 am to crazy4lsu
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India approved one coal plant in 2021.
Fair enough - they continue to get over 50% of their electricity from coal.
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I know less about China's energy policy
China gets almost 60% of their electricity from coal.
While that percentage is dropping, their demand has skyrocketed so that 60% is, in raw terms, more than their 80% in 2010. And they have hundreds of new coal plants under construction.
Posted on 9/12/22 at 11:58 am to Ace Midnight
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