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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 8/31/22 at 8:57 pm to
Posted by ned nederlander
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 8/31/22 at 8:57 pm to
CNN - US war gamed offensive with Ukraine

Pretty interesting article on the planning of this offensive and the US’s role as war consigliere for Ukraine.

“In the buildup to the current Ukrainian counteroffensive, the US urged Kyiv to keep the operation limited in both its objectives and its geography to avoid getting overextended and bogged down on multiple fronts, multiple US and western officials and Ukrainian sources tell CNN.

Those discussions involved engaging in "war-gaming" with Kyiv, the sources said -- analytical exercises that were intended to help the Ukrainian forces understand what force levels they would need to muster to be successful in different scenarios.

The Ukrainians were initially considering a broader counteroffensive, but narrowed their mission to the south, in the Kherson region, in recent weeks, US and Ukrainian officials said.”

“Still, despite a more bullish assessment of Ukrainian fighting capabilities, US officials aren't placing any bets that Ukraine will successfully retake Kherson -- yet.

"I'm not sure this is going to be the big, massive counteroffensive that folks might be waiting on — it might be a smaller number of forces," the US military source cautioned.”



Posted by CitizenK
BR
Member since Aug 2019
9718 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:32 pm to
While there are trucks in Europe, rail is a primary mover.

It used to be that way, in the USA, to sell scrap steel directly to steel mills. Up to the late 80's they only accepted shipments by rail.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40221 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:41 pm to




There are new rumors that Ukraine is mobilizing for and may have already started an additional offensive in the northern part of the front in the Kharkiv oblast.

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???? sources are reporting a recent build-up of ???? forces in this area of Kharkiv oblast. There are also reports that a ???? offensive has begun in the Kharkiv area. This is unconfirmed at this time.


LINK

This info is only two hours old and unconfirmed, but if if true and if they can pull off an simultaneous offensives against Izyum and Kherson (2 very big ifs) then Russia is f**ked.

Meanwhile in the south …

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???? have entered the settlement of Arkhanhelske, which is now contested. ???? advanced from the Inhulets bridgehead, capturing Sukhyi Stavok and continuing to the outskirts of Kostromka and Brushkyns’ke, briefly cutting the supply route to Davydiv Brid.


LINK

Ukraine keeps moving closer and closer to Kherson in several directions. Also hearing that conventional artillery hit and significantly damaged the ferries. So Kherson is officially isolated and cut off at the moment if that is true.
This post was edited on 8/31/22 at 10:04 pm
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40221 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:44 pm to
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Russia is getting first hand experienced fighting our weapons against a country that poses zero threat to them and will be sure to feed China it when they invade Taiwan…hey but Zelensky is a hero though.


Just to trigger you.


Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6878 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:57 pm to
Interesting given the report cited at the top of this page.

If the US told them to keep it localized and Ukraine decided to attack on multiple fronts anyway...I wonder if there is anything that can be read into that?
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40221 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 9:57 pm to
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While there are trucks in Europe, rail is a primary mover.


It’s not just the lack of trucks in Ukraine. It’s the terrible state of the roads themselves. Ukraine came in at 130 out of 137 countries for road conditions. That was in 2018 or 4 years before this invasion. Regular 18 wheelers are not going to survive for long on those roads. They need heavy duty military trucks or at least trucks designed for off road poor roads like logging trucks. Might be a good time for Mac Trucks to talk to the Biden administration about entering the foreign military sales market.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40221 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:00 pm to
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Interesting given the report cited at the top of this page. If the US told them to keep it localized and Ukraine decided to attack on multiple fronts anyway...I wonder if there is anything that can be read into that?


Well the US told Zelensky to flee to Lviv or Poland and he told POTUS “I need ammo not a ride.” So it wouldn’t be the first time that Ukraine told the USA
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5805 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 10:36 pm to
It looks like there’s a squadron of Slovak MiG-29s headed Ukraine’s way pretty quick. They were officially retired from their service today.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40221 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:21 pm to
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The fact that you write serious accusations. Can you provide a proof for at least one charge and I will transfer it to the military prosecutor's office and post all the stages of its consideration here on the forum? Or your photos of being there in a hospital, city, etc.?


Other people were filming during the shelling and they have already posted videos on tiktok and twitter. During the shelling, I was busy trying to move my patients into the culvert that we were using as a shelter or huddled in the shelter and more worried about my safety than I was about filming anything. My evidence is not much. Just videos of the aftermath of the shelling. Even though my evidence is not much. I have already turned over the evidence to the Ukrainian authorities, the International Red Cross, the UN Human Rights Counsel, and the International Criminal Court. I highly doubt anything ever comes of it. However, I am not going to give any thing to you because the Russian government will not prosecute anyone and it would just give Russia a chance to prepare a lie to explain it away. Sorry but I can’t trust a nation’s whose UN representative lies about invading a country while there is live footage of his country invading another country on the split screen with him.

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what 70% are you talking about?


Zelensky was elected with 73% of the vote. His party Servant of the People won a majority in the Ukrainian Rada or parliament with 53% of the vote. The elections were conducted with international observers present and occurred after Victor Yanakovich’s term as president would have ended if he had not fled in the middle of the night and had not been removed as president. Therefore you can not say that those election results were part of a coup or that it was not a legitimate election. Now given these facts how can you say that the Ukrainian people were oppressed by the government that the Ukrainian people overwhelmingly elected in a free and fair election?

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I would like to bet, I will reduce the time. The Baltics have been in NATO for many years. Which of the above is there?


WTF are you talking about? The Baltic nations have been in NATO approximately 15 years. They are off limits to Russia too because Russia knows that if it attacks the Baltic nations then NATO missiles will be flying towards Russia within an hour. Russia will fire missiles back but unlike Russia. NATO has the ability to shoot Russian missiles down. The only place that NATO could not shoot Russian missiles down was if they were launched from submarines in the Arctic Ocean. Now that Finland and Sweden are in NATO we can use Sweden and Finland’s territory to expand NATO’s nuclear shield and shoot down any missile launched from a submarine in the Arctic Ocean.

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What about Turkey's announcement of joining the SCO? Did you know about it?


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As of 2021, the Turkish government has not applied for SCO membership.
LINK

Once again you show how much you have been lied to. The SCO is an economic alliance not a military alliance. Turkey is not a full member or a candidate member. It is just a dialogue member. Turkey’s president has been invited to a SCO summit. That does not mean that Turkey is leaving NATO. Besides Russia would have to abandon its support for the Assad regime in Syria before Turkey would ever really consider leaving NATO and Russia is not going to abandon its support for Assad so I am not worried about the SCO.

I am too tired to answer the rest of your post and I’m sure others have already addressed it anyway.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
40221 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:25 pm to
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It looks like there’s a squadron of Slovak MiG-29s headed Ukraine’s way pretty quick. They were officially retired from their service today.


Very nice. IIRC the Slovakian MIGs were modernized by Israel in the 2000s and are capable of using Soviet/Russian weapons and NATO weapons.
Posted by SwampGar
Texas
Member since Jan 2020
908 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:47 pm to
My bad. That was my downvote. Fat fingered it. I don’t want to accidentally empower any one of these goobs with the slightest faint of support. You are much appreciated WeeWee.
Posted by Obtuse1
Westside Bodymore Yo
Member since Sep 2016
25933 posts
Posted on 8/31/22 at 11:54 pm to
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My bad. That was my downvote. Fat fingered it. I don’t want to accidentally empower any one of these goobs with the slightest faint of support. You are much appreciated WeeWee.


FYI you can fix a fat finger by refreshing the page and upvoting.
Posted by AGGIES
Member since Jul 2021
5765 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:10 am to
Thank you for your contributions here and in the field hospitals. That’s noble work.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6878 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:15 am to
https://twitter.com/ChuckPfarrer/status/1564764994432110594
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BURN RATE: Russia is exhausting its supplies of surface to surface missiles-- and now uses S-300 anti-aircraft missiles as an inaccurate substitute. With a Ukrainian offensive in full swing, Moscow only has 25% of its Iskander missiles remaining.


Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6878 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:19 am to
Interesting if real...

https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1565079668495192066
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An unfamiliar smell of defeatism emanating from Russian militant channels.



Original Source https://twitter.com/VedMedich/status/1565081546570309632/photo/1
Posted by LSUPilot07
Member since Feb 2022
5805 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:19 am to
They did undergo a small modernization mostly to their cockpit displays, communication systems and the ability to operate NATO munitions. Slovakia will be getting 14 new Block 70/72 F-16 Vipers in 2024. They had a deal in place before that with Sweden to acquire Gripens instead so Sweden is actively shipping their Gripens even with its relatively low numbers. I’m very vocal in saying I think that is the aircraft that needs to go to Ukraine as their future primary fighter. It really is perfect fit for them. Poland needs to hand over their 23 MiG 29s in the meantime. They know they will get f-16s from us to replace them. 35 fighters between Poland and Slovakia, even older Soviet fighters like the Mig-29, would mean a lot to Ukraine’s capability in the air.
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6878 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:24 am to
Remember when the entire eastern front collapsed for Ukraine...Look how much progress Russia has made against the retreating Ukrainians.

I'm really in awe of the Russian army.


Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6878 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:27 am to
Video of a Russian Iskander Missle launched from Belgorod Russia...hitting Belgorod Russia.
https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1565077830890921987
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Russian Iskander blows up in Belgorod after failed flight. another perspective


And another view of it https://twitter.com/WarMonitor3/status/1565082356884668425

Another good view
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1565092130606891009


This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 12:38 am
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6878 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:42 am to
https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1565133719941398528
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Over the month of August Russia increased the area of land they control in Ukraine by approximately 460km².

This equates to a total of ~19.48% of Ukraine being occupied. ~0.08% more than at the end of July.

At the start of August


At the start of September

This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 12:43 am
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98446 posts
Posted on 9/1/22 at 12:51 am to
In an article about the UN nuclear inspectors, it stated they had arrived in Ukraine and would have to queue with the other traffic to cross over into the Russian zone. Unless I misunderstood, this implies people regularly cross back and forth in an active war zone. I find this bizarre.
This post was edited on 9/1/22 at 12:53 am
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