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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:43 pm to alpinetiger
Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:43 pm to alpinetiger
quote:
I might regret the ask, but post the paper.
I did - second link in my original post.
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Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:51 pm to alpinetiger
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I might regret the ask, but post the paper.
That is rich, he gave the link and you shite on it without ever looking at it. So intellectually dishonest.
It is an incredibly detailed look at the current Russian economy via a vis the sanctions.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 5:55 pm to cypher
quote:Apologies and thanks. I will read what you linked. I doubt it will change my opinion. How you don't understand peace as a solution I don't get. Ukraine is Russia if you go far back enough. We have US politicians that are interested, but the US shouldn't be. Unless there is money involved. Make a good argument that we should be interested.
I did - second link in my original post.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 6:16 pm to alpinetiger
I agree on Business Insider and any of the "Insider" sources, but this is exactly what I have been saying for a few months. Russia desperately needs that cash from the West to stay afloat. Putin has fallen in the trap the USSR fell into in the 1980's trying to outspend the USA not only on defense but the fake Star Wars weaoons which scared the bejesus out of Russia and we never really had.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 6:26 pm to alpinetiger
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Apologies and thanks. I will read what you linked.
If you actually find something damning in there post it. I highly doubt you will, but kudos for sticking to your guns and trying to make it an honest debate
quote:
Ukraine is Russia if you go far back enoug
So would you be cool with Russia fighting anyone who once fell under Russian control at some period in the past?
ETA Because i mean hell Alaska is Russian if you go back far enough. Doesn't justify an invasion because Putin has ego issues
This post was edited on 7/29/22 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 7/29/22 at 6:39 pm to cypher
Thanks! Exactly what I have been saying but only about exports of oil and gas. Poland was completely cut off from Russian gas a few months ago and has backed down for helping Ukraine one bit. All this stuff in the news is Russia playing economic Chicken with Europe, especially Germany. Russia is driving the go cart and Europe the Mack Truck in this game of Chicken
Posted on 7/29/22 at 6:53 pm to alpinetiger
Make a good argument that we should be interested.
Ukraine will never be neutral like Switzerland. It will either be occupied (and the only one to do that would be Russia) or part of some Eastern pro-Russia block or part of some western block like NATO.
Think about a five star athlete, any sport, you want him ON your team or on the opposite side>
Ukraine wants to be in the West.
We are much better that they are in the West.
And no Nation in modern day Europe should have the right to just invade and neighbor.
This is why we should care (and I am not even talking morality here) - I want their shite on OUR side not Russias'.
How the nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2nd in Europe and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Ukraine will never be neutral like Switzerland. It will either be occupied (and the only one to do that would be Russia) or part of some Eastern pro-Russia block or part of some western block like NATO.
Think about a five star athlete, any sport, you want him ON your team or on the opposite side>
Ukraine wants to be in the West.
We are much better that they are in the West.
And no Nation in modern day Europe should have the right to just invade and neighbor.
This is why we should care (and I am not even talking morality here) - I want their shite on OUR side not Russias'.
How the nation of Ukraine ranks:
1st in Europe in proven recoverable reserves of uranium ores;
2nd place in Europe and 10th place in the world in terms of titanium ore reserves;
2nd place in the world in terms of explored reserves of manganese ores (2.3 billion tons, or 12% of the world’s reserves);
2nd largest iron ore reserves in the world (30 billion tons);
2nd place in Europe in terms of mercury ore reserves;
3rd place in Europe (13th place in the world) in shale gas reserves (22 trillion cubic meters)
4th in the world by the total value of natural resources;
7th place in the world in coal reserves (33.9 billion tons)
Ukraine is an agricultural country:
1st in Europe in terms of arable land area;
3rd place in the world by the area of black soil (25% of world’s volume);
1st place in the world in exports of sunflower and sunflower oil;
2nd place in the world in barley production and 4th place in barley exports;
3rd largest producer and 4th largest exporter of corn in the world;
4th largest producer of potatoes in the world;
5th largest rye producer in the world;
5th place in the world in bee production (75,000 tons);
8th place in the world in wheat exports;
9th place in the world in the production of chicken eggs;
16th place in the world in cheese exports.
Ukraine can meet the food needs of 600 million people.
Ukraine is an industrialized country:
1st in Europe in ammonia production;
2nd in Europe and 4th largest natural gas pipeline system in the world (142.5 bln cubic meters of gas throughput capacity in the EU);
3rd largest in Europe and 8th largest in the world in terms of installed capacity of nuclear power plants;
3rd place in Europe and 11th in the world in terms of rail network length (21,700 km);
3rd place in the world (after the U.S. and France) in production of locators and locating equipment;
3rd largest iron exporter in the world
4th largest exporter of turbines for nuclear power plants in the world;
4th world’s largest manufacturer of rocket launchers;
4th place in the world in clay exports
4th place in the world in titanium exports
8th place in the world in exports of ores and concentrates;
9th place in the world in exports of defense industry products;
10th largest steel producer in the world (32.4 million tons).
Posted on 7/29/22 at 7:01 pm to RLDSC FAN
Posted on 7/29/22 at 7:15 pm to cypher
Very odd coming from an official mouth piece of Russia, but this was posted by the Russian embassy in UK
quote:
??#Azov militants deserve execution, but death not by firing squad but by hanging, because they’re not real soldiers. They deserve a humiliating death.
A married couple from #Mariupol tell how they were shelled by ????forces from #Azovstal. #StopNaziUkraine LINK
Posted on 7/29/22 at 7:38 pm to StormyMcMan
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Very odd coming from an official mouth piece of Russia, but this was posted by the Russian embassy in UK
Yea, I don't know what they're trying to accomplish with that.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 7:57 pm to cypher
ISw update
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A kinetic event killed and wounded scores of Ukrainian POWs in Russian-occupied Olenivka, Donetsk Oblast, on July 28.[1] Ukraine and Russia are blaming each other for the attack and available visual evidence appears to support the Ukrainian claim more than the Russian, but ISW cannot independently assess the nature of the attack or the party responsible for it at this time.
quote:
Key Takeaways
A kinetic event killed and wounded scores of Ukrainian POWs in Russian-occupied Donetsk Oblast on July 28. Ukraine and Russia are blaming each other for the attack. Available visual evidence appears to support the Ukrainian claim more than the Russian, but ISW cannot independently assess the nature of the attack or the party responsible for it at this time.
Ground fighting continued north of Kharkiv City with no significant change in control of terrain.
Russian forces attempted a limited ground assault in Kherson Oblast and continued conducting combat operations without creating strike groups along occupied lines.
Russian regional outlets reported the recruitment and establishment of an additional volunteer battalion in the Republic of Buryatia and the formation of a reserve battalion in Novosibirsk.
Members of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s United Russia party traveled to occupied Ukrainian territories to promote an organization called “We Are Together with Russia,” likely to present the façade of a “grassroots” call for the Russian annexation of occupied Ukraine and to prepare for falsified annexation referenda.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 11:12 pm to StormyMcMan
Russian Occupation Authority has abandoned Kherson.
Posted on 7/29/22 at 11:25 pm to CitizenK
Ukraine could be turning the tide of war again as Russian advances stall
By Liz Sly
Updated July 28, 2022 at 12:08 p.m. EDT|Published July 28, 2022 at 11:37 a.m. EDT
KYIV, Ukraine — Russian advances in Ukraine have slowed almost to a standstill as newly delivered Western weapons help Ukrainian forces reclaim much of the advantage they had lost in recent months, opening a window of opportunity to turn the tide of the war in their favor again.
Russian troops have made no significant territorial gains since the Ukrainian retreat on July 2 from the eastern city of Lysychansk under withering artillery fire. The retreat gave Russia full control over Luhansk, one of the two oblasts, or regions, that make up the broader eastern Donbas area, and it marked Russia’s only meaningful strategic success since its retreat from territory around Kyiv in April.
The lack of progress may be explained at least in part by the “operational pause” declared by Russia’s Defense Ministry after the seizure of Lysychansk — to allow Russian troops a chance to “rest and develop their combat capabilities,” in the words of President Vladimir Putin.
But the so-called pause did not halt Russian attempts to probe and penetrate Ukrainian lines — and the official end of the pause, announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on July 16, has brought no noticeable increase in the intensity of Russia’s assaults, said George Barros, a geospatial and Russia analyst with the Institute for the Study of War.
Rather, Barros and many Western officials and analysts suspect that the Russians are close to exhausting their capacity to make further territorial gains as their depleted army confronts Ukrainian forces with newly acquired capabilities. Already forced to abandon their hopes of capturing the capital, Russian forces may soon have to reckon with their inability to conquer the entirety of the Donbas region — the only publicly declared goal of the initial invasion and the focus of current offensive ambitions.
Russia may succeed in capturing one or two more of the Donbas towns in its immediate line of fire, such as Siversk and nearby Bakhmut, Barros said, but it is hard to see its existing army pressing much farther than that.
“It does seem the Russians’ ability for forward movement is petering out,” said Phillips O’Brien, a professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. “I don’t see them being able to advance much more in the Donbas.”
LINK
By Liz Sly
Updated July 28, 2022 at 12:08 p.m. EDT|Published July 28, 2022 at 11:37 a.m. EDT
KYIV, Ukraine — Russian advances in Ukraine have slowed almost to a standstill as newly delivered Western weapons help Ukrainian forces reclaim much of the advantage they had lost in recent months, opening a window of opportunity to turn the tide of the war in their favor again.
Russian troops have made no significant territorial gains since the Ukrainian retreat on July 2 from the eastern city of Lysychansk under withering artillery fire. The retreat gave Russia full control over Luhansk, one of the two oblasts, or regions, that make up the broader eastern Donbas area, and it marked Russia’s only meaningful strategic success since its retreat from territory around Kyiv in April.
The lack of progress may be explained at least in part by the “operational pause” declared by Russia’s Defense Ministry after the seizure of Lysychansk — to allow Russian troops a chance to “rest and develop their combat capabilities,” in the words of President Vladimir Putin.
But the so-called pause did not halt Russian attempts to probe and penetrate Ukrainian lines — and the official end of the pause, announced by Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu on July 16, has brought no noticeable increase in the intensity of Russia’s assaults, said George Barros, a geospatial and Russia analyst with the Institute for the Study of War.
Rather, Barros and many Western officials and analysts suspect that the Russians are close to exhausting their capacity to make further territorial gains as their depleted army confronts Ukrainian forces with newly acquired capabilities. Already forced to abandon their hopes of capturing the capital, Russian forces may soon have to reckon with their inability to conquer the entirety of the Donbas region — the only publicly declared goal of the initial invasion and the focus of current offensive ambitions.
Russia may succeed in capturing one or two more of the Donbas towns in its immediate line of fire, such as Siversk and nearby Bakhmut, Barros said, but it is hard to see its existing army pressing much farther than that.
“It does seem the Russians’ ability for forward movement is petering out,” said Phillips O’Brien, a professor of strategic studies at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland. “I don’t see them being able to advance much more in the Donbas.”
LINK
Posted on 7/29/22 at 11:26 pm to CitizenK
I believe that if Russia pulls out entirely, be it in a year or three it will prove, once and for all, we (USA) are a true HyperPower. Of course, China will not have invaded Taiwan. 
Posted on 7/30/22 at 3:01 am to CitizenK
quote:I didn't know that. I thought they were 100% Turkish, with some components coming from other countries.
Bayraktars were licensed to the Turkish company by Israel in 2008.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 6:54 am to RLDSC FAN
British Defence Intelligence
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 30 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
It is likely that Ukraine has successfully repelled small scale Russian assaults from the long-established front line near Donetsk city in the Donbas. In the Kherson area, Russian forces have highly likely established two pontoon bridges and a ferry system to compensate for the fact that nearby bridges have been damaged in recent strikes.
Across the newly occupied territories in southern Ukraine, Russian-installed authorities are highly likely under increasing pressure from Moscow to consolidate their control over the region and prepare for referendums on joining Russia later in the year. Russia currently classes the occupied areas as under interim 'civil-military administration'. Local authorities are likely coercing the population into disclosing personal details in order to compose voting registers.
UPDATE ON UKRAINE 30 July 2022
INTELLIGENCE UPDATE
It is likely that Ukraine has successfully repelled small scale Russian assaults from the long-established front line near Donetsk city in the Donbas. In the Kherson area, Russian forces have highly likely established two pontoon bridges and a ferry system to compensate for the fact that nearby bridges have been damaged in recent strikes.
Across the newly occupied territories in southern Ukraine, Russian-installed authorities are highly likely under increasing pressure from Moscow to consolidate their control over the region and prepare for referendums on joining Russia later in the year. Russia currently classes the occupied areas as under interim 'civil-military administration'. Local authorities are likely coercing the population into disclosing personal details in order to compose voting registers.
Posted on 7/30/22 at 6:56 am to cypher
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This post was edited on 7/30/22 at 6:57 am
Posted on 7/30/22 at 7:02 am to cypher
GRAPHIC: Russians continue to target civilians in Mykolaiv with cluster bombs, kill 5, wound 7
July 29, 2022 7:30 pm
MYKOLAIV — Russia continues to bombard residential areas of Mykolaiv, Ukraine’s major shipbuilding city 50 kilometers west of the front line.
At 9.45 a.m., on July 29, Russian cluster munition killed at least five people and injured at least seven more. Those killed and injured were standing in a small square next to a bus stop.
Anna, 40, who lives nearby, told the Kyiv Independent that the square was crowded because it was a bread distribution point.
“There was an explosion - people began to fall, some began to lie down, some tried to hide behind the trees,” she said.
The Kyiv Independent
July 29, 2022 7:30 pm
MYKOLAIV — Russia continues to bombard residential areas of Mykolaiv, Ukraine’s major shipbuilding city 50 kilometers west of the front line.
At 9.45 a.m., on July 29, Russian cluster munition killed at least five people and injured at least seven more. Those killed and injured were standing in a small square next to a bus stop.
Anna, 40, who lives nearby, told the Kyiv Independent that the square was crowded because it was a bread distribution point.
“There was an explosion - people began to fall, some began to lie down, some tried to hide behind the trees,” she said.
The Kyiv Independent
Posted on 7/30/22 at 7:03 am to Eurocat
It’s all working. All of it. New/off book stuff hitting the operational theatre. Ukrainians know they are close. Russia is using 57k dead/missing presumed dead. My guys in Russia say the Kremlin has a sore neck from shaking their head at what’s happening in Ukraine.
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