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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:51 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:51 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Wat?
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You type well. I'm guessing 80 words per minute.
Do you need me to type slower so you can catch up? I can 'hunt and peck' like a retard boomer so your lead-ridden brain can understand it too. I'm a man of many talents.
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Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:51 pm to DabosDynasty
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I meant more in terms to the validity of the threat. Clearly we took the threat of soviet military power very seriously during the Cold War, but I think the war in Ukraine has partly called that into question. Their traditional military forces have shown to be inefficient, clumsy, and seemingly vastly behind western weapons tech. Sure, after a lot of adjustments to align operational objectives with their supply logistics, they made advances in the East, but they were an abject failure in the first phase of the war biting off more than they could chew. But for 75 years we never would have batted an eye that their first phase was too much for them. In your view in particular given your closeness to Cold War and threat of Soviet military, do you think we gave them too much credit then? Did we in some sense, as a nation, buy into the propaganda too much then?
Even then we were fully aware their equipment, training, and logistics were garbage. We knew we’d stack bodies on a biblical scale. The problem with Russia though is they’ve got a lot of bodies and are willing to have them stacked in the millions. They’ve been that way for centuries. Russia will take losses on a scale no other country except maybe China can sustain.
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Thank you for your response. I think this gives much more context to your opinion of it being better for Ukraine to sue for peace. In the grand scheme of things my opinion doesn’t matter, but I think you made good points that are much more thought out than most opposition points in here. To me this is the best sue for peace/stop helping Ukraine fight the war argument I’ve seen.
Thank you. All I’ve tried to do here is bring some unbiased context into the situation.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:54 pm to Darth_Vader
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As for Ukraine joining NATO, that’s a long game in that it won’t be easy or come quickly
It is a long game. But if Ukraine is "forced" by the Russians and the West to end this thing, then the West has to insure the defense of what is left of Ukraine. Needs to be part of negotiations. I don't think the Russians will do it. But to get them to negotiate away the eastern half of the country with no assistance in defending what remains, it'll all go to Russia. The big bad Russians will be the big kid on the block in eastern Europe then.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:54 pm to doubleb
They are winning on battlefield rn like we were in Vietnam, but not really, we never lost a battle in Vietnam. They are reaching the limits of their capacity and capabilities trying to grab as much territory as they can in next few months. If they Ukrainians are smart, just make them pay for every inch in blood and equipment and launch a massive counter strike around October
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:55 pm to alpinetiger
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Do you need me to type slower so you can catch up? I can 'hunt and peck' like a retard boomer so your lead-ridden brain can understand it too. I'm a man of many talents.
Wat?
Odds are he didn't understand your post. I didn't see the malice, but he may be a half empty glass kind of guy.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Smart folks understand context. And honest folks don't ignore context repeatedly after it's been pointed out in order to avoid addressing the actual topic.
Smart folks communicate what they mean.
Do better. Don't say things you don't mean.
Do better. Don't hear what you want instead of what's said.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:57 pm to Korkstand
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Smart folks understand context.
Of course. You offered none and I took you at your exact words, which piss you off.
Kind of like that libs of tik tok you people hate, but it just post words you folks actually say.
"Respect borders" to a prog doesn't mean "respect borders." Nothing surprises me more.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 12:58 pm
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You only "respect borders" when its politically expedient for you.
Youre a hypocrite which isn't news to you.
The funny thing is using the same contextless argument and turning the mirror on yourself you are in the same vice you are trying to squeeze someone else in: "You only 'respect borders' when its (sic) politically expedient for you."
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:58 pm to OMLandshark
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Yes, but can we afford to invest? And this is also Ukraine, the most corrupt country in Europe. I know y’all don’t like it when people bring this up and refuse to address it.
Yes we can afford to invest. Do you understand how sovereign debt works?
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It’s all warmongers and tyrants say. “Yes you have to suffer now for your own good, because we know what’s best for you and the world, and you shut your mouths.” Reminds me of an old CS Lewis quote:
What the frick are you talking about? How in any way was that a response? You are myopic because you are rejecting out of hand any notion that Russia will not be appeased. You haven't even considered the evidence.
Again, there are warmongers here and you can't seem to name them. You want one side to capitulate because it is inconvenient to you. You are the walking definition of moral relativism, and you are proud of your hypocrisy.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:58 pm to crazy4lsu
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You are myopic
Youre a warmonger. This isn't our war, no more than Vietnam was.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 7/5/22 at 12:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Odds are he didn't understand your post.
Lol. You are the dumbass you didn't understand my elastic reference the other day and then tried to say I hadn't taken Econ 101. The things I don't understand are just intensely stupid people like yourself and their unearned confidence.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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Lol. You are the dumbass you didn't understand my elastic reference the other day
You totally misunderstand a post due to overwhelming insecurity, and take it out on someone else.
No one is shocked.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:01 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre a warmonger.
Nah. I didn't start or support this war. But there is one side who showed they were negotiating in bad-faith. Apparently that's okay with you. Just another example of your moral relativism, where you can't seem to understand things have causes and effects. It's like talking to a toddler.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:02 pm to OMLandshark
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As opposed to the handful of openly pro Russian folks here who are literally regurgitating talking points from the all time hoax that was Q.
Yeah, either you’re for supplying Ukraine with unlimited cash and weaponry with no questions asked or you’re in Q Anon, something that hasn’t really existed for well over a year. Is it any wonder why people like me are suspicious of this when you’re just slandered if you remotely question the orthodoxy?
I'm not talking about people like you or Roger who are second guessing or even critical of our involvement for halfway sensible reasons. I'm talking about Sir Winston, Alpine Tiger, Lima etc. Try not to be hysterical for once.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You totally misunderstand a post due to overwhelming insecurity, and take it out on someone else.
Nah, I understood it. Apparently my reply went over your head and the head of the other guy. Not surprising.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:03 pm to crazy4lsu
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Nah, I understood it.
Not at all. You got all angry at a compliment.
Estrogen breeds insecurity.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Estrogen breeds insecurity.
Lol. Apply this to yourself. You are the one who always comments on things way above your paygrade my man.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:06 pm to crazy4lsu
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Lol. Apply this to yourself.
Sorry Cinderella, I don't care to explore the softer and overly emotional side.
You should volunteer to fight over there, war monger. The Reddit crowd, you'd fit right in. They'd probably let you bake and sew.
This post was edited on 7/5/22 at 1:07 pm
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:10 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You should volunteer to fight over there, war monger.
I'd love to join an NGO involved in the effort. I'd also love to join Doctors without Borders. Need to finish residency for both though.
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The Reddit crowd, you'd fit right in.
Please bitch. I'm in fantastic health.
Posted on 7/5/22 at 1:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Look around, Roger. This thread is about war and not immigration. Do I really need to explain the context to you? Do you need a wall of text with every post which explains the meaning of each phrase used in the actual statement being made? Besides, I *did* explain the context on numerous occasions and you flat-out ignored it. I understand that you had to do that in order to call me a liar, but for frick's sake man at least make an attempt at honesty.
You offered none and I took you at your exact words, which piss you off.
quote:I think you and I would find a lot of common ground on the topic of immigration, Roger. We likely agree that laws should be enforced, and that immigration should be done legally. We probably only differ in some specifics of the on-the-ground enforcement. But we probably will never get that far because you are absolutely insufferable.
"Respect borders" to a prog doesn't mean "respect borders." Nothing surprises me more.
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