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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

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Posted by Korkstand
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:29 pm to
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Trump directly told Putin he’d nuke Moscow if he invaded Ukraine. He also told Xi he’d do the same to Beijing if he should invade Taiwan. Now I don’t think Trump would have done it, but I wouldn’t put it past him, and neither did Putin or Xi.
My god, you must have had a 4 year nervous breakdown with Trump in office as worried about WW3 as you are.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:29 pm to
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I do. It is Occam’s Razor: the simplest answer tends to be the correct one


Describe for me the competing theories, because that is the situation when Occam's Razor becomes useful. I'm suggesting you haven't considered any competing theories. Obviously I'm using 'oCcAm'S rAZoR!!!!'
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:32 pm to
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Haven’t followed up on that, so what was the aftermath?



You didn't answer anything, just like now, just like the pg. 1184 reference, which is far more voluminous proof attesting your continued bad-faith, which adds more to my theory that you are both a woman and a Russian. See, I'm using Occam's Razor here. Do you see how I used 'Occam's Razor'? Aren't you impressed by my use of parsimony in the setting of several competing theories!?!
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Posted by Baw Vivant
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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:51 pm to
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There’s no need to overthink this one. We all knew who Trump was. He was an unstable crazy person, and you couldn’t put anything past him. Now he did a lot of good, but I do think Xi and Putin feared Trump to a certain degree.

If Afghanistan happened under Trump’s watch, we know in the very least he’d have guns blazing on the ground and wouldn’t have made the idiotic mistake of giving up Bagram. It was open season after that and everyone who pays attention was panicking knowing that Ukraine and/or Taiwan would be invaded within a year over that. Don’t forget the botched Afghanistan withdrawal in all this.


How is that you can never answer a basic question? What are the competing theories that can justify the use of an abductive heuristic? And honestly, I would never accuse you of overthinking. In fact, you seem to be more driven by emotion than any person I've ever met. It's like you getting fingerbanged on the daily in your boypussy with some sort of estrogen-containing lubricant.
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Posted by DeltaFishTiger
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:52 pm to
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My god, you must have had a 4 year nervous breakdown with Trump in office as worried about WW3 as you are.

Why would he be nervous? None of the pieces of shite of the world dared to lift a finger with Trump looming.
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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 9:58 pm to
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I’m saying you’re overthinking it when there’s a simple answer here.



I'm saying that invoking Occam's Razor as an explanation of your reasoning only works in the settings of several theories. It isn't a defense for not thinking about any other theory. Do you not understand how anything in the world works? There is a usefulness to being parsimonious, but it is in a specific setting. I'm guessing you don't encounter that setting enough, which I guess humanity should be thankful for.
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Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:05 pm to
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This one is just obvious though. We all know who Trump is and we know all know who Biden is. I think it’s crazy simple especially if you lump it in with the botched Afghanistan withdrawal why Putin did what he did.



It's only obvious if you have a child-like view of the world. That actually isn't surprising, given the sum of what you've written and your proclivity for pop culture references.
Posted by aTmTexas Dillo
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:08 pm to
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The logic is Trump was unpredictable and a mad man.

Liz Cheney says he still is.
Posted by Obtuse1
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:10 pm to
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The logic is Trump was unpredictable and a mad man. There are benefits to having a mad man as President. I think Trump at least held Putin off from invading Ukraine for four years.



I assume Trump's "mad man" proclivities would have been one of your dislikes of him given your (IMO) Chicken Little 20% WWIII comments.

The way I personally see it I would think if anything Trump would have sent a "Best Wishes" card to Putin when he invaded Ukraine, of any country in the world I would think Ukraine's invasion would have had him cheering the most.

I appreciate the direct answer in a thread you get steamrolled in but I just can't make the logic work from this POV. I think the reasonable logic is Putin would have felt comfortable invading with Trump in office but Trump very well may have had a better plan on the economic side for the US but I think it may have had long-term repercussions in the geopolitical realm. IMO the pause this has to be giving China about its machinations with regard to Taiwan is of great benefit to the West. If the West is willing to give aid to Ukraine they have to know it would face at least a magnitude greater assistance from the West if Taiwan is invaded.

I could be right and I could be wrong about all this but I also think being the World's superpower has costs beyond just existing. I also don't think the MIC is pure evil it is a serious economic driver that has been borne out over and over. It is like O&G and the auto industry the employees make more than minimum wage and yes some rich people get richer, the bloody horror.



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Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 7/3/22 at 10:27 pm to
There were certain conditions which Putin thought in his favor that didn't turn out exactly as anticipated. One was the Nordstream II pipeline which Trump did put a halt to with sanctions on certain equipment only available from the USA. Other than that, he did stockpile some cash reserve for several years, along with bad intel on Ukraine. Trump did bomb Russia's base in Syria after the battering of Aleppo. A major Biden error was cancelling Keystone XL. That left any increase in Canadian crude stranded
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