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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:46 pm to
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:46 pm to
Dr Mike Martin @ThreshedThought:
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I think there is something very interesting happening.

There seem to be quite a lot of reports that Russia is not getting as far ahead as it would have hoped in its invasion.

If you look at the soviet deep strike doctrine, this this attack appears to be based on, it is about fast moving columns advancing on different axes in order to QUICKLY encircle enemy forces. It’s about deep fires, and about having multiple echelons of troops … so that successive waves can move forward and exploit any axes of advance that look promising. The key to this is moving fast. And keeping your logistics protected - your armour is going to be out on a limb.

But it seems that the Russians are a bit surprised that the Ukrainians have fought back. And fought back well.
The Russians are taking casualties, which it seems they weren’t expecting.

The Russian ministry of health had just effectively mobilised civilian doctors in Russia. One assumes to deal with the level of casualties being sustained.
This makes sense in the following way.

Putin basically assumed that the Ukrainians would collapse so all they would have to do is a thunder run to Kyiv. Don’t worry about the logistics - we’ll sort that out once we’ve toppled their government. But if you’re the Ukrainians and you know that the Russians are gonna use some variant of deep strike doctrine what do you do?

You let the armoured columns pass and then destroy the log tail using stay behind parties armed with anti tank weapons, or using helicopters, whilst keeping them out of the cities. (Incredibly stupid by the way that the Russians didn’t wipe out the Ukrainian Air Force before they started - a real sign of their hubris)

So I would guess that a lot of the Russian casualties are the logistic elements that are following up. So far the Russians seem to have committed about 50k forces or a third of what they have. So maybe there are more echelons coming, and maybe the Russians will still overwhelm Kyiv. Or maybe they won’t. It seems in the balance.

And the longer the Ukrainians can hold on, the less the Russians will be able to continue.

Amateurs talk tactics and professionals talk logistics.
It’s also really unclear what putin’s political objectives are for this war. And as the west learnt over the last two decades, deploying military force without clearly understanding the political aims is stupid and leads to failure.
This post was edited on 2/25/22 at 4:47 pm
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:47 pm to
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I wanted to tell it earlier but I kept putin it off


A lady like yourself shouldn’t use Volga language.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:49 pm to
I would continue this pun thread, but I Neva go back on my promises.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:49 pm to
@LauraLitvan (Bloomberg)
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NEW: White House has asked Congress for $6.4 billion for the Ukraine crisis.

That's more than Nancy was asking for.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:50 pm to
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UN Security Council voting on resolution condemning Russia.

Yes

- United States
- United Kingdom
- France
- Norway
- Ireland
- Albania
- Gabon
- Mexico
- Brazil
- Ghana
- Kenya

No

- Russia

Abstain

- China
- India
- United Arab Emirates
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:50 pm to
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I would continue this pun thread, but I Neva go back on my promises.

If you think Vlad Putin is an arsehole, you should try dealing with his brother......Ben.
Posted by LSUBoo
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:50 pm to
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I wanted to tell it earlier but I kept putin it off.


Odessa good one.
Posted by athenslife101
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:51 pm to
Oh For St Pete’s sake you two
Posted by OGtigerfan87
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:53 pm to
He needs Belarus to Lenin him a hand
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:54 pm to
Don’t be such a Red Square
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:55 pm to
One for the baws....

@kiraincongress
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I learn to use #Kalashnikov and prepare to bear arms. It sounds surreal as just a few days ago it would never come to my mind. Our #women will protect our soil the same way as our #men. Go #Ukraine! LINK

Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:56 pm to
@IAPonomarenko
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JUST IN:
Ukraine’s Air Defense downed a Russian Ilyushin II-76 carrying a landing force near Vasylkiv south of Kyiv
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:57 pm to
I really hope Ukriane can hold out long enough for Russia to decide that this attack isn’t worth it. Would be a shame for these brave defenders to lose their lives.
Posted by J Murdah
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:58 pm to
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:59 pm to
@phildstewart
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(Reuters) - Canadian liquor stores are removing Russian vodka and other Russian made alcoholic beverages from their shelves in an act of condemnation over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.


Trudeau is pissed.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 4:59 pm to
I’m astounded that this thread hasn’t been stickied yet.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 5:01 pm to
Pics from protests in Georgia (not the dawg humpers) show thousands of people protesting the Russian invasion.
Posted by LewDawg
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 5:01 pm to
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 5:02 pm to

The guy on the roundtable at Fox just said that Russian troops can't fight at night which to him was unreal. I had no idea that was the case. Anyone know why?
Posted by angryslugs
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 2/25/22 at 5:02 pm to
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Reuters) - Canadian liquor stores are removing Russian vodka and other Russian made alcoholic beverages from their shelves in an act of condemnation over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.


That'll show em. You've already paid for it. Maybe just don't order more?
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