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La Times is questioning why police are shooting unstable people who carry "sharp objects"
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:52 pm
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:52 pm
LA Times: LAPD shootings of unstable people wielding sharp objects a deadly problem
On a North Hollywood street last year, Los Angeles Police Officer Daniel Harty watched through his rifle scope as 50-year-old Rommel Mendoza walked “erratically” toward him and a line of other officers, waving a sword and holding the lid of a cooking pan like a shield.
Mendoza, who lived on the block, seemed confused after being confronted at home by two officers investigating a report that he had hit a neighbor’s car with a stick. Mendoza’s family said he was sobbing, screaming, muttering incoherently and clearly needed help.
Again and again as Mendoza slowly advanced, Harty lifted his gaze to a white SUV parked between them, which he guessed was 20 to 30 feet away, he said. His LAPD training taught him that such distances could be closed by suspects with “edged weapons” such as knives or swords in a matter of seconds, putting officers in imminent danger, Harty said.
When Mendoza got to the SUV, Harty fatally shot him in the chest.
“I believe that if I didn’t press the trigger, he would have continued to close that distance,” Harty told investigators of the May 2020 shooting. “A lot of people don’t ... appreciate the fact that our bulletproof vests don’t stop swords.”
While LAPD shootings have dramatically declined in recent decades, scrutiny has grown in recent months around shootings like Mendoza’s, where mentally ill, intoxicated or homeless people are shot by police while armed not with firearms but with knives, swords, heavy tools or other blunt objects.
Police officials and officers like Harty say such weapons represent real, imminent threats. Others claim the danger is exaggerated and that officers are too quick to pull the trigger — another reason, amid the broader “defund the police” movement, they want mental health clinicians to take over calls from cops.
LAPD data reviewed by The Times show suspects were allegedly armed with “edged weapons” in about 18% of police shootings between 2015 and 2019, and with “impact devices” like bats in 4%. In 2020, edged weapons were identified in 23% of cases.
On a North Hollywood street last year, Los Angeles Police Officer Daniel Harty watched through his rifle scope as 50-year-old Rommel Mendoza walked “erratically” toward him and a line of other officers, waving a sword and holding the lid of a cooking pan like a shield.
Mendoza, who lived on the block, seemed confused after being confronted at home by two officers investigating a report that he had hit a neighbor’s car with a stick. Mendoza’s family said he was sobbing, screaming, muttering incoherently and clearly needed help.
Again and again as Mendoza slowly advanced, Harty lifted his gaze to a white SUV parked between them, which he guessed was 20 to 30 feet away, he said. His LAPD training taught him that such distances could be closed by suspects with “edged weapons” such as knives or swords in a matter of seconds, putting officers in imminent danger, Harty said.
When Mendoza got to the SUV, Harty fatally shot him in the chest.
“I believe that if I didn’t press the trigger, he would have continued to close that distance,” Harty told investigators of the May 2020 shooting. “A lot of people don’t ... appreciate the fact that our bulletproof vests don’t stop swords.”
While LAPD shootings have dramatically declined in recent decades, scrutiny has grown in recent months around shootings like Mendoza’s, where mentally ill, intoxicated or homeless people are shot by police while armed not with firearms but with knives, swords, heavy tools or other blunt objects.
Police officials and officers like Harty say such weapons represent real, imminent threats. Others claim the danger is exaggerated and that officers are too quick to pull the trigger — another reason, amid the broader “defund the police” movement, they want mental health clinicians to take over calls from cops.
LAPD data reviewed by The Times show suspects were allegedly armed with “edged weapons” in about 18% of police shootings between 2015 and 2019, and with “impact devices” like bats in 4%. In 2020, edged weapons were identified in 23% of cases.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 7:58 pm to MrLSU
Because swords aren’t deadly weapons???
What in the hell are those people using for brains? I often wonder if these liberals sit around watching super hero movies all day and think cops aren’t real live people, but super heroes. I swear I don’t think they live in a real world anymore. It’s all fantasy.
What in the hell are those people using for brains? I often wonder if these liberals sit around watching super hero movies all day and think cops aren’t real live people, but super heroes. I swear I don’t think they live in a real world anymore. It’s all fantasy.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:00 pm to MrLSU
The government should not be able to escalate force on citizens. They have the tools and resources to safely detain someone with a pointy stick and a cooking pan.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:04 pm to MrLSU
Tasers fail all the time. I don’t understand why people that the article is aimed at have this mind set like it’s a magical weapon that stops the person all the time.
And on top of that, having someone coming at you with a weapon that can actually kill you or take a piece of your body off, would be quite intense.
And to pretend that they would be able to aim a taser perfect to effectively stop a threat like that is completely idiotic
And on top of that, having someone coming at you with a weapon that can actually kill you or take a piece of your body off, would be quite intense.
And to pretend that they would be able to aim a taser perfect to effectively stop a threat like that is completely idiotic
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:05 pm to MrLSU
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they want mental health clinicians to take over calls from cops.
I cannot wait until they actually do push this agenda through and make it happen. It's going to be incredibly hilarious how quick those mental health professionals ask for some sort of weapon to deal with these people or just quit doing the job.
I can't wait.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:05 pm to MrLSU
Question to our resident OT progressives… and I ask this sincerely because I’m genuinely wondering… what in the actual frick is wrong with you and your kind?
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:11 pm to MrLSU
Great. I think deadly force against an unstable person with a sharp object is probably on the short list of most prudent things to do.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:19 pm to TigerBait1971
quote:
Bring back night sticks
Hickory kisses!!!
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:20 pm to MrLSU
This is the kind of shite you can worry about when you have the best economy.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:24 pm to Cajun Tifoso
It would honestly save a lot of lives if they could just crack a few skulls (exaggerated) in these situations.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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Question to our resident OT progressives…
Not wanting the government to kill it's own citizens is not a progressive position. You would think small government "conservatives" wouldn't want big government killing citizens.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:35 pm to armsdealer
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Not wanting the government to kill it's own citizens is not a progressive position. You would think small government "conservatives" wouldn't want big government killing citizens.
Then don't fricking approach a cop with a goddamned machete. I have zero love for the cops, but Jesus christ. This isn't comply or die, or some cop on a power trip, this was a mentally deranged individual with a sword. Are they supposed to just leave him there so he can approach some poor woman unloading her groceries, or a hung over frat guy walking a dog?
This post was edited on 6/14/21 at 8:39 pm
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:37 pm to MrLSU
Maybe this will end when an unarmed social worker gets murdered in broad daylight.
Posted on 6/14/21 at 8:40 pm to TigerBait1971
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Bring back night sticks
I have posted on this before. It's funny you say that. In the 60's, 70's and even into the 80's in some jurisdictions (like NOLA) it was common for police to crack someone over the head in situations like this. It was dramatic, it was bloody and it was ugly. You know what though? It didn't kill the person. But people complained and they took away the long sticks that offered an officer the length of protection to reach out and stop a threat like a knife or a broken bottle. They then gave them smaller expandable batons, pepper spray and Tasers. All of which had failure rates and tech failures that exposed officers to harm. So what happened? They started shooting people instead.
It's the law of unintended consequences. They didn't want the perps getting hit on the head and now they are getting shot.
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