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re: LA School Voucher Program Isn't Working

Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:18 am to
Posted by whoa
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
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Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:18 am to
It doesn’t matter if they need or want the money it’s essentially putting their taxes that goes to public schools back in their hands to use where they want. Why would anyone turn that down?

Schools aren’t going to just change their admissions because they accept the vouchers.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
25982 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:21 am to
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Any reputable private school will probably not join. They either don't need the additional money or they can't risk taking voucher kids at the expense of losing their paying students.

This hits the center of the target.

The voucher money is going to store front and fly by night for profit private "schools" that have no oversight and are themselves sub-par. Private schools that cater to those that can pay private school tuition simply aren't going to open their doors to poor kids from underachieving schools.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10663 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:22 am to
As the parent of 2 kids in Catholic schools, these voucher programs are absolutely idiotic on so many levels. I personally believe this a concerted effort to put the final nails in the coffin of the public education system.
Posted by ThatTahoeOverThere
Member since Nov 2021
4178 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:33 am to
Doomed by logic. Square peg in a round hole. You can throw 100's of billions of dollars at it and it still wont fix it. I said from the start that this will only make private schools worse.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39112 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:37 am to
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Can the vouchers be used for high school?


Yes but because private high school so expensive they usually do not cover it all
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39112 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:39 am to
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Where do you think the tax dollars came from? $100k "donated" to the local ISD since 2015.


Me and you and others but not the ones poor who qualify for a voucher
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 11:47 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39112 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:40 am to
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Hit the nail on the head. The best private schools don't have issues with dwindling enrollment and often have wait lists. They don't need to accept voucher students at the risk of upsetting the parents who pay full tuition. So you're left with the private schools that were already struggling with declining enrollment being the schools that were most willing to accept vouchers.


many people struggle to understand this simple concept
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 11:47 am
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
7327 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:43 am to
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If a parent is going to seek out a voucher to send their kid to a non-public school, they probably at least have some desire to see their kid be successful. If they didn't give a crap about their kid, it would certainly be easier to just let the kid go to the nearby public school.


Do they count these shitty charter schools as "private" schools? Most of those are only set up to make money and have no intention of teaching the kids. That's why you see them open and then close within 3 or 4 years.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39112 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:43 am to
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It doesn’t matter if they need or want the money it’s essentially putting their taxes that goes to public schools back in their hands to use where they want. Why would anyone turn that down?


For the majority of people, the voucher they receive far exceeds their share of state taxes they pay that goes to education.

So it’s far beyond putting their tax dollars in their pocket.

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Schools aren’t going to just change their admissions because they accept the vouchers.


Correct, so the money will flow ti crappy schools. Again, money far in excess of what they paid in.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39112 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:45 am to
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As the parent of 2 kids in Catholic schools, these voucher programs are absolutely idiotic on so many levels. I personally believe this a concerted effort to put the final nails in the coffin of the public education system.


Did you vote for Landry and Trump?

It seems like many of their supporters do not support this
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 11:46 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39112 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:47 am to
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Do they count these shitty charter schools as "private" schools?


Nope those are public
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
10663 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:55 am to
I don’t live in Louisiana; I did not cast a vote for President as I don’t like either of these assholes they were on the ballot. This issue around public education is not new, and this effort has been well underway to erode the system for 30+ years now. Large forces are moving the needle, not single politicians.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35184 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 11:58 am to
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The schools that are taking the most voucher kids...are the schools that are doing the worst (with a few exceptions). Let that sink in.

Is this a surprise?
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35184 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 12:00 pm to
The only way that the GATOR Scholarship will be successful is if they actually stick to the plan and it is available to everyone regardless of income level. If they keep it to low income only, they will get the same results.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
35184 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 12:06 pm to
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Correct, so the money will flow ti crappy schools. Again, money far in excess of what they paid in.

If they keep the same admissions and accept the GATOR Scholarship how many "new" kids do you think will be attending these schools? Also, if it's available to everyone the schools and up their tuition by a considerable amount and have the parents still come out a bit ahead from where they are now in terms of out of pocket tuition.
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
41009 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 12:20 pm to
Teachers aren’t teaching to LEAP bc LEAP is worthless. Get rid of state tests and let teachers teach.
Posted by Geauxtac260
Member since Aug 2016
213 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 12:45 pm to
I agree LEAP is worthless…but, I mean, I see it in my kids, they are def teaching to LEAP. The amount of LEAP prep is insane, and once LEAP is over, ha, the rest of the year is just parties and movies.

Idk, maybe you’re a teacher? And if you are and you’re challenging the status quo on that, then awesome. But that’s not been my experience so far.

Edited to add, maybe you’re saying private school teachers aren’t teaching to LEAP, and yes, you’d be 100% correct bc private schools don’t do LEAP (except for voucher kids).
This post was edited on 2/14/25 at 12:49 pm
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
41009 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 12:50 pm to
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I agree LEAP is worthless…but, I mean, I see it in my kids, they are def teaching to LEAP. The amount of LEAP prep is insane, and once LEAP is over, ha, the rest of the year is just parties and movies.

Idk, maybe you’re a teacher? And if you are and you’re challenging the status quo on that, then awesome. But that’s not been my experience so far.

Edited to add, maybe you’re saying private school teachers aren’t teaching to LEAP, and yes, you’d be 100% correct bc private schools don’t do LEAP (except for voucher kids


Sorry. Should have been much more clear. I meant that private school teachers aren’t teaching to LEAP bc it’s worthless and not necessary for private. That’s why voucher kids may not perform well on that standardized test. They may also not have the foundation needed for a more academically focused school.
Posted by Geauxtac260
Member since Aug 2016
213 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 12:53 pm to
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Sorry. Should have been much more clear. I meant that private school teachers aren’t teaching to LEAP bc it’s worthless and not necessary for private. That’s why voucher kids may not perform well on that standardized test. They may also not have the foundation needed for a more academically focused school.


Yeah we’re on the same page.
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
3793 posts
Posted on 2/14/25 at 1:33 pm to
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. But 30 private schools were graded last year, and nearly 80% earned Ds or Fs.



Find this hard to believe but maybe my experience was anecdotal. Graduates at my Catholic school had higher ACT scores, did better academic rallies, and finished college at much higher rates than all the local public schools.
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