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re: LA Legis trying to increase tax on cigars, pipe tobacco
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:09 am to USMCTiger03
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:09 am to USMCTiger03
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17% tax increase on pipe tobacco.
frick that.
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Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:09 am to USMCTiger03
I'm fine with this, but we need more.
- Legalize weed and tax the hell out of it
- Double cigarette tax
- Release prisoners in jail for misdemeanor 1st offense, non-violent drug crimes
- Shut down some state funded colleges that are fricking awful and broke
- Legalize weed and tax the hell out of it
- Double cigarette tax
- Release prisoners in jail for misdemeanor 1st offense, non-violent drug crimes
- Shut down some state funded colleges that are fricking awful and broke
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:10 am to Artie Rome
Do you understand what the Master Settlement Agreement is? Seriously, because if you're arguing the tax rate because of cig smokers using services... you should kind of know what that is.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:11 am to TheCaterpillar
Honestly though, how much revenue is JUST pipe tobacco tax going to raise?
I feel like this is taxing something a very tiny fraction of the population even consumes. It's like raising the taxes on unicycles or something.
I feel like this is taxing something a very tiny fraction of the population even consumes. It's like raising the taxes on unicycles or something.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:11 am to constant cough
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17% tax increase on pipe tobacco.
Now that's some fricking bullshite there!
constant cough
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:11 am to USMCTiger03
So they want to tax items that are much more likely to be consumed by the wealthy? They're not even trying to hide it anymore.
What legislator drafted this bill?
What legislator drafted this bill?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:12 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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I don't like sin taxes
So? I don't smoke, and I don't like paying for the healthcare costs of all the smokers in the state - that's a significant portion of our state deficit. Charge them out the arse so they either can't buy as much or they start funding the state better to pay for their increased costs in healthcare.
I generally disapprove of all taxes, but a tax on a vice like smoking can actually do some good
EDIT: think this tax should be on cigs, not pipe and premium cigars though
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 10:14 am
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:12 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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Should they also tax fast food, unhealthy food at grocery stores, and alcohol?
Yes.
Vice tax.
And stop letting people on foodstamps get gallons of sugary drinks and twinkies.
ETA:
It does 3 things. Encourages people to eat and live healthier, raises a lot of tax money, and lowers future healthcare costs. Also, I'd be fine with lowering the taxes on all fruits, vegetables, and locally farmed products.
This post was edited on 6/4/15 at 10:17 am
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:13 am to TheCaterpillar
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Honestly though, how much revenue is JUST pipe tobacco tax going to raise?
Pipe Tobacco and RYO aren't huge product lines, but you'd be surprised how much actually goes around.
I want to know if the 17% increase means it'll be taxed at 50% or 38.61%.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:14 am to Upperdecker
The MSA brings in around 180 million dollars a year :/
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:15 am to USMCTiger03
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Amendments 7 and 9 to House Bill 119, introduced by the Senate Committee on Finance, include a 5% tax increase on premium cigars and a 17% tax increase on pipe tobacco.
Yes, raise taxes, that's what we need to balance the budget.
Signed,
Hollywood movie producer
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:22 am to Upperdecker
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So? I don't smoke, and I don't like paying for the healthcare costs of all the smokers in the state - that's a significant portion of our state deficit. Charge them out the arse so they either can't buy as much or they start funding the state better to pay for their increased costs in healthcare.
I'm interested in how much of that revenue goes into healthcare. My initial inclination is "very little".
Also, taxing at an exorbitant rate to increase prices in order to deter purchasing does not work. All it does is create an underground market (see NYC and "I can't breathe").
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:25 am to upgrayedd
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Also, taxing at an exorbitant rate to increase prices in order to deter purchasing does not work. All it does is create an underground market (see NYC and "I can't breathe").
New York has made a ton of money on their cigarette tax and cigarette smoking is on a sharp decline.
Who cares if some hoodrats want to sell cigs from another state under the table. Seriously, who cares?
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:26 am to TheCaterpillar
They should just get rid of the tax protection afforded to churches and tax them like the businesses they are.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:28 am to LSUBoo
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They should just get rid of the tax protection afforded to churches and tax them like the businesses they are.
Thats tough, because I agree most are money grabs, but there is a minority that are genuine IMO.
And I hate church.
But yes, Healing Place should be taxed like WalMart.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:28 am to TheCaterpillar
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New York has made a ton of money on their cigarette tax and cigarette smoking is on a sharp decline
This also brings an interesting dynamic to the table.
Many states rely heavily on tobacco taxes yet act like they want everyone to quit. The truth is that if everyone quit tobacco today, almost every state would be in a pretty big deficit.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:30 am to TheCaterpillar
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Who cares if some hoodrats want to sell cigs from another state under the table. Seriously, who cares?
The States do, because they'll lose in court the next time the Master Settlement Agreement gets litigated.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:30 am to upgrayedd
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This also brings an interesting dynamic to the table.
Many states rely heavily on tobacco taxes yet act like they want everyone to quit. The truth is that if everyone quit tobacco today, almost every state would be in a pretty big deficit.
I believe the savings from future healthcare costs would ease the pain. Imagine if you lived in a state where NO ONE smoked. Life expectancy would be 5 years more on average than other states
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:32 am to Jcorye1
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The States do, because they'll lose in court the next time the Master Settlement Agreement gets litigated.
Pretty tough for a tobacco company to get out of their 10 billion annual MSA payment because 5 hoodrats get ticketed per year selling cigarettes without a license. There isn't proof they even came from another state.
Posted on 6/4/15 at 10:33 am to Upperdecker
I don't drive on your street, but I've still got to pay for that
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