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re: Kouri-Vini: The return of the US' lost language
Posted on 3/3/23 at 4:09 pm to conservativewifeymom
Posted on 3/3/23 at 4:09 pm to conservativewifeymom
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since when is zydeco the music of 'Creoles of color?!?!'
It's not, it's just a poppy version of "Cajun" music which itself doesn't have a firm definition.
Zydeco took the elements that define cajun music, the tempo, the accordion, the washboards, the refrains, and simplified it into a contemporary pop format - verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus.
That's all it is. To claim it's some deep ancestral music is more than a stretch.
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 4:14 pm to conservativewifeymom
guess what. Kouri-Vini is 95% French.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 4:16 pm to LSUGrrrl
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I can see the Cajun and Creole blending music styles to form what we now know as zydeco but it definitely has Cajun roots, not creole.
No, Zydeco was created in the black community, I don't think anyone disputes this. It was influenced by more traditional Cajun and Creole music, as well as several other musical genres. Hence the significance of the accordion.
Traditional Cajun music is distinctly different from Zydeco. I grew up with that playing a lot amongst the older folks in the family, many of whom did not speak English and all who spoke French as their primary language when they grew up.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 5:16 pm to mdomingue
Clifton Chenier, the king of zydeco, was born in Leonville. I love this part of the story:
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Chenier moved to Port Arthur in 1946 to work on the labor gang at the Gulf refinery. During his lunch break, Chenier would often play the accordion for his coworkers. The first frottoir, or metal rubboard, was made for Clifton and Cleveland Chenier by Willie Landry. The three men worked together at Gulf Refinery in the 1940s. One day, Cleveland drew the type of musical instrument he wanted in the dirt, and Landry, a Cajun metal craftsman, created the metal rubboard for the brothers. Landry's son still makes rubboards. Legend has it that the money from tips was better than his salary, so Clifton quit the labor gang to start playing local venues.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 5:22 pm to JudgeHolden
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Clifton Chenier, the king of zydeco, was born in Leonville. I love this part of the story:
Chenier moved to Port Arthur in 1946 to work on the labor gang at the Gulf refinery. During his lunch break, Chenier would often play the accordion for his coworkers. The first frottoir, or metal rubboard, was made for Clifton and Cleveland Chenier by Willie Landry. The three men worked together at Gulf Refinery in the 1940s. One day, Cleveland drew the type of musical instrument he wanted in the dirt, and Landry, a Cajun metal craftsman, created the metal rubboard for the brothers. Landry's son still makes rubboards. Legend has it that the money from tips was better than his salary, so Clifton quit the labor gang to start playing local venues.
There was a local DJ in Lafayette that played on one of the stations when I was a kid, I think it was KVOL. His name was Paul Thibeaux. I remember him doing commercials for Clifton Chenier back in the late 60s/early 70s as well as Rocking Doopsie. Brings back some memories for me.
ETA: this guy
https://www.discogs.com/artist/3302874-Paul-Thibeaux
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Record store owner and long-time radio DJ, also known as "The House Rocker", from Louisiana, USA. He became the first Black disc jockey in Lafayette when he joined the staff of KVOL in 1965. He also opened Lafayette's only Black music store, House Rocker Record Shop, in 1968. Thibeaux appealed to a more diverse audience and for years, he provided the Acadiana Black community with its only forum, and gave underexposed local musicians much needed exposure by playing their music. Thibeaux worked at KVOL until his untimely and unexpected death in 1983.
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 5:25 pm
Posted on 3/3/23 at 5:29 pm to dandyjohn
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It's not, it's just a poppy version of "Cajun" music which itself doesn't have a firm definition. Zydeco took the elements that define cajun music, the tempo, the accordion, the washboards, the refrains, and simplified it into a contemporary pop format - verse-chorus-verse-chorus-bridge-chorus. That's all it is. To claim it's some deep ancestral music is more than a stretch.
I don’t really agree.
If you baws really want to know about zydeco, listen to JB and MC on Zydeco est pas Sale, tomorrow at 8 am on KRVS.
Then listen to Marche Matin on Sunday and hear the difference between zydeco and Cajun.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 5:30 pm to mdomingue
House rockin music, baw!
We had Daddy Cool Breeze on KSLO.
We had Daddy Cool Breeze on KSLO.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 6:58 pm to conservativewifeymom
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Zydeco
WOAT
Posted on 3/3/23 at 7:07 pm to LSUGrrrl
Our great grandparents and grandparents definitely came through some interesting/difficult times. My grandpa was at Pearl Harbor. My mom’s side of the family is Scottish and my grandpa was in the RAF. I find it easy to stay humble in these times thinking of what they went through.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 8:55 pm to JudgeHolden
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don’t really agree.
If you baws really want to know about zydeco, listen to JB and MC on Zydeco est pas Sale, tomorrow at 8 am on KRVS.
Then listen to Marche Matin on Sunday and hear the difference between zydeco and Cajun.
I think you have a better read on this topic than most in this thread.
I live states away and listen to JB and MC web stream often.
Cedric has a great program called La Nation Creole.
What I think most don't know is the roots of Zydeco coming more from "Jure" music than any Cajun influence. Zydeco is an almost exclusively black creole invention.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:00 pm to S
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Creoles: 64 Parishes
I clicked until I saw this linked. I was about to post it if no one else did.
There are lily-white Cajun families in Avoyelles Parish and elsewhere that will swear they are Creole. And they aren't wrong.
That word is nebulous and not as easily defined as some would believe.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 9:06 pm to LSUGrrrl
Yep my line line escaped Nova Scotia and ended up in France. The patriarch died in France and his widow along with two sons made the trip to LA. Mothers side did similar but had some intermarried mic mac mixed in as that side had a Native American wife listed on the ship manifest.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 10:37 pm to Roman Candle Tag
Yea Avoyelles is unique in that you have a lot of cajun and creole people. That’s where my great great grandparents settled.
Posted on 3/3/23 at 11:04 pm to S
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I find it easy to stay humble in these times thinking of what they went through.
Amen.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:05 am to el Gaucho
There is a difference between Zydeco and Cajun Music. Zydeco is a form of Cajun music played by creoles. It sounds different than the Cajun music played by primarily white French descendants. Cajun music is more waltzing sounding, slower more methodical. Zydeco is far more fast, upbeat and has African influences. Main difference is the use of the washboard in Zydeco. Or at least that is what I learned growing up in South Louisiana.
Every Saturday and Sunday morning from in the 70s and 80s the local country station would play Cajun music from like 4 to 6 am. My grandfather would blast it at the hunting camp to wake up. There was never any Zydeco played, not because of the African influences, but just because it was not considered music of the Acadians.
Zydeco is a development of French speaking former slaves in Louisiana that heard the music of the Acadians and adopted it for their own and put their twist on it. Mainly more upbeat with African influences.
Every Saturday and Sunday morning from in the 70s and 80s the local country station would play Cajun music from like 4 to 6 am. My grandfather would blast it at the hunting camp to wake up. There was never any Zydeco played, not because of the African influences, but just because it was not considered music of the Acadians.
Zydeco is a development of French speaking former slaves in Louisiana that heard the music of the Acadians and adopted it for their own and put their twist on it. Mainly more upbeat with African influences.
This post was edited on 3/4/23 at 5:15 am
Posted on 3/4/23 at 5:38 am to LSUGrrrl
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interested in my Cajun roots and history.
A real minority , hopefully you tan more than I do.
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:39 am to vistajay
quote:Zydeco is always referred to as " Swamp Blues". Chenier was a Blues musician not much different from other Louisiana Bluesman like Slim Harpo( Harmonica) , Buddy Guy( Guitar) ,etc... but the lead instrument ( Accordion or Sqeeze Box ) is different. Plus they'd sing some songs in broken French.
That's how I've always thought of zydeco. I've only seen black zydeco performers.
Chenier & Zydeco performers were Bluesman.
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