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Kouri-Vini: The return of the US' lost language

Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:06 pm
Posted by conservativewifeymom
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:06 pm
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Today, Watson is one of the brightest contemporary talents in American zydeco music. Zydeco is the traditional music of Louisiana Creoles of colour – the historical ethnic group describing mixed-race people born to European settlers and Africans in the colonial US. It blends elements of blues, R&B and soul and relies heavily on percussion techniques that reflect its African American and Afro-Caribbean roots. In addition to English and Louisiana French, it is also sung in Kouri-Vini.

Watson is part of a grass roots resurgence to revive Kouri-Vini, a historical name for the Louisiana Creole language that has been reclaimed to prevent confusion with other things "Creole", such as ethnicity, musical styles and culinary traditions.

Kouri-Vini originated in Louisiana, but in the early 1900s, it spilled over the border to eastern Texas, Watson's native state, and he grew up hearing elderly relatives exchange neighbourhood news in the language. As they died, Watson, who is African American, realised that his ancestral language was dying with them. He began using his stage as a platform to revitalise this language that is deeply rooted in the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

In the early 18th Century, newly enslaved people created an amalgam of their native West African languages and the French that colonists used to communicate on the Louisiana sugar and indigo plantations where they toiled. "It's the first language all these Africans coming from different tribes and caste systems would speak when they were enslaved," Watson said. "They had these pidgin languages they would speak for a couple of generations, but it eventually became an organised language, which is Creole (Kouri-Vini)" – whose name comes from the Creole pronunciation of the French verbs "courir" (to run) and "venir" (to come).


Fascinating stuff, but since when is zydeco the music of 'Creoles of color?!?!'

Posted by bayoudude
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:11 pm to
Never heard of it
Posted by LSUGrrrl
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:11 pm to
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since when is zydeco the music of 'Creoles of color?!?!'


My thought, exactly. I thought it was a Cajun cultural music. I can see the Cajun and Creole blending music styles to form what we now know as zydeco but it definitely has Cajun roots, not creole.

I kept my Louisiana History textbook from elementary school and it’s amazing how much of our culture and Cajun history used to be taught as opposed to now. Creole history was also covered and showed the differences and similarities of the two cultures as they blended in S La. I need to go dig it out to see if this is covered.
Posted by vistajay
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:13 pm to
That's how I've always thought of zydeco. I've only seen black zydeco performers.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:15 pm to
It's always, always smart to keep older textbooks, especially history, geography English, etc.

Not only are they generally much better in terms of rigor, but they preserve so much info that has been erased over the years.
Posted by conservativewifeymom
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:16 pm to
Years ago when we were in BR zydeco was being played (very loudly) by some white guys in a bar.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:17 pm to
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Fascinating stuff, but since when is zydeco the music of 'Creoles of color?!?!'



looks like another attempt at "everything you love about..."
Posted by LSUGrrrl
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Member since Jul 2007
32859 posts
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:25 pm to
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It's always, always smart to keep older textbooks, especially history, geography English, etc.


Yeah, but I said a lot of Hail Mary’s and Our Fathers for “stealing” that book

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Not only are they generally much better in terms of rigor, but they preserve so much info that has been erased over the years.


I wish I’d kept more. I’ve always been very interested in my Cajun roots and history. Only reason I can think of that I kept an elementary school textbook back then. None of my younger siblings were taught any of that history.

How many young people today would know what is The Great Upheaval or The Dispersion much less Le Grand Dérangement?
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:28 pm to
This is the only Cajun song I know by heart LINK
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:28 pm to
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That's how I've always thought of zydeco. I've only seen black zydeco performers.



I'm honestly confused
This post was edited on 3/3/23 at 1:29 pm
Posted by LSUGrrrl
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Member since Jul 2007
32859 posts
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:31 pm to
Frick. I’m going to hear that in my nightmares now.
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:32 pm to
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I’m going to hear that in my nightmares now.



you've got to admit that's a spot on Cajun original right there though
Posted by LSUGrrrl
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2007
32859 posts
Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:41 pm to
That’s not Coonass. That’s Dumbass.
Posted by G Vice
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:41 pm to
Cool post

I know a guy who toured with Cedric for many years, and it was a great experience for him, but got tired of the road.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:48 pm to
Why don't they just call it "Opelousas Talk"?
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:52 pm to
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Zydeco is the traditional music of Louisiana Creoles of colour



Creoles of Colour?


As opposed to creole's not of colour? Do they even know what Creole means?


And they most certainly have no singular claim to fame on zydeco.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:54 pm to
I know some native speakers.

Love zydeco sont pas sale.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:57 pm to
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Creoles of Colour?


In Acadiana, Creole means French speaking black people.

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And they most certainly have no singular claim to fame on zydeco.


You mean besides inventing it, preserving it, and playing it? Sorry, baw. Zydeco is the music of the Creoles of the Louisiana prairie.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:57 pm to
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Why don't they just call it "Opelousas Talk"?


More like Plaisance.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 3/3/23 at 1:59 pm to
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That's how I've always thought of zydeco. I've only seen black zydeco performers.

Bruh what about the Beatles and Rolling Stones of zydeco, wayne Toups and the butt thing guy?
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