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Posted on 8/25/19 at 9:36 pm to highcotton2
I grew up in the county his plane crashed in. My parents are buried a couple of miles away from the crash site (Bazaar Cemetery) and one of my brothers owns land very nearby. Anyone wanting to learn more about the site should Google the name Easter Heathman. He was one of the first people at the crash when he was a teenager and was the unofficial caretaker of the site for as long as I can remember before he died.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:53 pm to Rebel
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Who thought it was a good idea to use water based glue to hold your plywood wings to your aircraft?
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the Fokker Trimotor
The Germans
The Treaty of Versailles forbid Germany from having an Air Force. So in 1919 Fokker moved to the Netherlands.
So the Dutch were to blame for this one.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 10:58 pm to Bob the Terrible
That was a man
He went 105-12 as Notre Dames head coach.
He went 105-12 as Notre Dames head coach.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 11:11 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 11:15 pm to highcotton2
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WTF? Who thought it was a good idea to use water based glue to hold your plywood wings to your aircraft?
You taught me something today, thanks, because I didn't know the details WRT Rockne's death.
The explanation for his death seems strange to me, because, I know for certain that some fighter planes in World War One were built with plywood for the outer shell of the fuselage. The Albatross DV, for example, had a plywood fuselage that was quite strong and never fell apart due to rain. And we can be quite sure that this fighter plane often got wet with rain in Northern France during its lengthy time in front line service.
So the details about Rockne's plane crash are very interesting and tragic, because there was no reason to fabricate a plywood airplane so defectively.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 11:20 pm to highcotton2
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Knute Jr
Thanks, dad.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 11:27 pm to Rebel
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The Germans
Reinhard Heydrich was going to survive but Himmler killed him.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 11:39 pm to highcotton2
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WTF? Who thought it was a good idea to use water based glue to hold your plywood wings to your aircraft?
You don't understand adhesives. Water-based aliphatic resin glue (in the PVA family) can easily be waterproof. If the glue was an issue it was the quality of the glue or the application/curing methods used. An aliphatic resin adhesive can easily be formulated to meet or exceed ANSI/HPVA Type I water-resistance specifications. To meet this standard two pieces of plywood are bonded together and cured. Once cured it is boiled for 4 hours, heat-dried for 20 hours then boiled 4 hours and heat-dried for another 20 hours then has to meet shear strength standards.
Just because an adhesive is water-based or waterborne does not mean that it is not waterproof when properly cured.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 11:49 pm to Obtuse1
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You don't understand adhesives. Water-based aliphatic resin glue (in the PVA family) can easily be waterproof. If the glue was an issue it was the quality of the glue or the application/curing methods used. An aliphatic resin adhesive can easily be formulated to meet or exceed ANSI/HPVA Type I water-resistance specifications. To meet this standard two pieces of plywood are bonded together and cured. Once cured it is boiled for 4 hours, heat-dried for 20 hours then boiled 4 hours and heat-dried for another 20 hours then has to meet shear strength standards.
That dive was deep af.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 11:51 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
it’s been too long since we’ve had a good adhesives thread
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:02 am to highcotton2
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WTF? Who thought it was a good idea to use water based glue to hold your plywood wings to your aircraft?
The Titanic had a max capacity of 3,557 people but only enough lifeboats to hold 1,178. When she sank in 1912 there were 2,208 people on board but only 705 made it onto lifeboats as many of them left half full. The only planned lifeboat drill had been canceled by the captain so people could go to church that Sunday and the main reasons there were so few lifeboats were b/c the regulations were done via tonnage instead of passenger capacity and White Star Line didn't want them cluttering up the deck obstructing views of the first class passengers.
shite was fricked up back then. As much as people complain about regulations there is a very legitimate reason we have and need them.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 1:03 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 1:16 am to Kafka
Great puns everybody
Except the K is not silent, you fricking douche Knutes
Except the K is not silent, you fricking douche Knutes
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:16 am to genro
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Except the K is not silent,
That's knews to me. It was a silent "K" until the 1970's or so. My grandfather played for Notre Dame, and always pronounced it without the K.
Here's some transcribed accounts from Grantland Rice from the 1950's. Clearly a silent "K".
And "not a silent K" may be the proper Norwegian pronunciation, but it wasn't said that way at Notre Dame or in the American parlance of the day.
At about 2:06
LINK
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:20 am to Buckeye Jeaux
IIRC in the old movie it's pronounced w/a K at first, then thet K gets dropped in the later half of the film.
Which may be the script's way of saying the original Norwegian pronunciation was gradually Americanized
Which may be the script's way of saying the original Norwegian pronunciation was gradually Americanized
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:26 am to Kafka
makes sense
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:35 am to Buckeye Jeaux
Canute is clearly the "correct" pronunciation as it's a famous Norwegian historical figure and common name.
He died in 1931, probably not a lot of audio, and well separated from Notre Dame's rise on radio in the 40s and the Grantland piece in the 50s.
The likely story is he didn't care to correct people, and was more read about than known, even at Notre Dame in the decades following when the pop culture of the thing blew up
It was the Gipper who cleared it up
He died in 1931, probably not a lot of audio, and well separated from Notre Dame's rise on radio in the 40s and the Grantland piece in the 50s.
The likely story is he didn't care to correct people, and was more read about than known, even at Notre Dame in the decades following when the pop culture of the thing blew up
It was the Gipper who cleared it up
quote:Movie was filmed in 1940
The 40th President of the United States was well aware of the proper way to pronounce Rockne’s first name, just as he was well aware that many in the audience that day did not know how to do so. Speaking at the dedication ceremony for the Rockne postage stamp held at Notre Dame on March 9, 1988, Reagan said “Now, let me explain, I may be saying the name differently, but when we made the picture we were told, and Bonnie [Mrs. Knute Rockne] upheld it to us, that it was Knute [Kuh-newt] -- not Knute [newt]. So, you'll have to get used to me saying it that way.”
Reagan noted that during the filming of the motion picture Knute Rockne: All-American, in which Reagan himself played legendary Notre Dame football star George Gipp, those making the movie consulted Rockne's widow Bonnie, who explained that you actually pronounce the "K" in Knute, and that “Kuh-newt” was the pronunciation the great coach himself preferred.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 2:36 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 2:53 am to genro
I don't doubt that K-nute was the proper Norwegian pronunciation. But, again, the Americanized pronunciation was "Newt". And that was the ONLY pronunciation used in football circles until about the 1970's or 80's.
Below are 2 more videos. The first is a video on Knute Rockne produced by the University of Notre Dame. And, the second is a short clip giving the Americanized pronunciation of "Knute" (i.e., "Newt")
LINK
LINK
And as I said, My grandfather played for ND (before Rockne), and remained active in alumni matters thru the 1950's. He ALWAYS pronounced the great coach's name as "Newt" (and ALWAYS pronounced Notre Dame as Noh-tra Dom (rhymes with Tom)).
BTW, in the Notre Dame video, a grandson of Rockne appears (named Knute Rockne), who pronounces his name in the traditional Norwegian manner... Ka-nute.
Below are 2 more videos. The first is a video on Knute Rockne produced by the University of Notre Dame. And, the second is a short clip giving the Americanized pronunciation of "Knute" (i.e., "Newt")
LINK
LINK
And as I said, My grandfather played for ND (before Rockne), and remained active in alumni matters thru the 1950's. He ALWAYS pronounced the great coach's name as "Newt" (and ALWAYS pronounced Notre Dame as Noh-tra Dom (rhymes with Tom)).
BTW, in the Notre Dame video, a grandson of Rockne appears (named Knute Rockne), who pronounces his name in the traditional Norwegian manner... Ka-nute.
This post was edited on 8/26/19 at 3:53 am
Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:18 am to Rebel
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The Germans
Actually it was a Dutch company & the plane was built in new jersey
Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:26 am to Obtuse1
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You don't understand adhesives
I guess not
I’m amazed that less than 100 years ago we were flying around in plywood boxes
Posted on 8/26/19 at 7:28 am to biglego
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it’s been too long since we’ve had a good adhesives thread
Amen brother. I was just gonna say this.
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