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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only
Posted on 5/21/25 at 5:33 pm to civiltiger07
Posted on 5/21/25 at 5:33 pm to civiltiger07
Oh nice, I haven’t been able to keep up today
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Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:13 pm to 10tiger
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Was that not from the cocktail glass that he allegedly had in his hand ?
Yes and no. They “found” some other glass that wasn’t from the OJO’s glass.
Ie it didn’t match. So there is reason to suspect the Alberts lived in a glass factory at 34 Fairview
Posted on 5/21/25 at 8:22 pm to idlewatcher
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On another note, what is the board's take on the pieces/shards of glass found at the scene that don't match. Did glass just magically appear because the glass from the scene did not match the (alleged) piece of glass from the bumper
Shockingly, these were found by none other than disgraced former Trooper Proctor.
The demonstrative from the defense today was well done.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:30 am to KosmoCramer
The consensus seems to be that the CW will call Welcher next week then that will rest their case.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:33 am to civiltiger07
That's wild. If that's all they have left, if Cannone was honest, they should get a directed verdict. But we all know that won't happen
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:03 am to KosmoCramer
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if Cannone was honest, they should get a directed verdict.
If you view the "evidence" in the best possible light for the CW they did present a timeline that showed Karen Read reversed her Lexus. There are potentially numerous problems with the data and "expert" that presented that data, but that would be on the jury to find that not reliable right?
And yes there is no way in hell Connone is giving a directed verdict.
If it was a bench trial where the judge was the finder of fact could she end the trial after the CW rest their case because they didn't prove the case?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:13 am to civiltiger07
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didn't prove
Unfortunately that word has become subjective over time.
Was just combing the innerwebz for KR info and came across this gem
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:13 am to civiltiger07
No trial today?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:21 am to Rebel
They are done until Tuesday I believe
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:31 am to civiltiger07
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If it was a bench trial where the judge was the finder of fact could she end the trial after the CW rest their case because they didn't prove the case?
That's what a directed verdict is.
They have yet to show physical proof that he was hit by the car. We'll see what the accident reconstructionist says next week.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 10:39 am to Rebel
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No trial today?
Originally it was going to be a half of day, but then the judge let the jury go until Tuesday.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:02 pm to KosmoCramer
The question about if Shanon Burgess is currently pursuing a degree from UAB has been asked.
According to the UAB Office of Registrar Mr. Burgess attended UAB from Aug 2016 to Aug 2019. I’m no expert on classifying someone as a student but based on that info I don’t think I would say Mr Burgess is currently pursuing a degree from UAB.
I was giving him the benefit of doubt that maybe he has been taking classes and working full time. Then he got lazy with updating his CV and some dates made it on there that shouldn’t have been. Now it seems he is a fraud. The sad part is that he didn’t even need a degree but now he lied about (which I do believe he lied about this) currently pursuing a degree which kills his career. Welcher will probably get questioned about Burgess now as well.
According to the UAB Office of Registrar Mr. Burgess attended UAB from Aug 2016 to Aug 2019. I’m no expert on classifying someone as a student but based on that info I don’t think I would say Mr Burgess is currently pursuing a degree from UAB.
I was giving him the benefit of doubt that maybe he has been taking classes and working full time. Then he got lazy with updating his CV and some dates made it on there that shouldn’t have been. Now it seems he is a fraud. The sad part is that he didn’t even need a degree but now he lied about (which I do believe he lied about this) currently pursuing a degree which kills his career. Welcher will probably get questioned about Burgess now as well.
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:10 pm to civiltiger07
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I was giving him the benefit of doubt that maybe he has been taking classes and working full time. Then he got lazy with updating his CV and some dates made it on there that shouldn’t have been. Now it seems he is a fraud. The sad part is that he didn’t even need a degree but now he lied about (which I do believe he lied about this) currently pursuing a degree which kills his career. Welcher will probably get questioned about Burgess now as well.
The fact he allowed a CV to be filed about him in federal court that he was likely going to have a BS in 2024 and he hasn't been enrolled since 2019 is a massive red flag. And he's a lynchpin witness for the CW.
This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:13 pm to civiltiger07
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The question about if Shanon Burgess is currently pursuing a degree from UAB has been asked.
Has been asked by whom? The defense?
Posted on 5/22/25 at 7:17 pm to KosmoCramer
Posted on 5/22/25 at 9:11 pm to civiltiger07
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This post was edited on 5/22/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 5/23/25 at 12:03 pm to idlewatcher
quote:I'm not saying this is absolutely what is going on but sometimes when this happens it's because one side or the other is pushing the boundary more. Not that there is bias.
Wonder if anyone has been auditing her objection sustaining rulings. Seems they inevitably favor the state.
So, in this case, the defense would be pushing the boundary harder than the state.
Posted on 5/23/25 at 12:22 pm to Tigers4Lyfe
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I'm not saying this is absolutely what is going on but sometimes when this happens it's because one side or the other is pushing the boundary more. Not that there is bias.
So, in this case, the defense would be pushing the boundary harder than the state.
I haven't watched the whole thing... but 1 thing I noticed in the few days I did see was the defense desperately trying to kick open the door of the old investigator who got fired b/c of his handling of the case... Michael Proctor
It seems obvious to me there was a pre-trial ruling saying anything related to that investigator is off limits unless a witness opens the door to it
The defense tries to get a witness to open the door... prosecution immediately objects... judge either sustains the objection and/or calls for a sidebar
A lot of the objections I've seen was related to this issue
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 5/23/25 at 4:17 pm to rt3
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It seems obvious to me there was a pre-trial ruling saying anything related to that investigator is off limits unless a witness opens the door to it
There was no such ruling. The opening statement called Proctor a “metastasizing cancer”.
No reason why the defense shouldn’t be able to bring up the fact that the lead investigator was fired. If he was fired for something that was unrelated to this case maybe it gets kept out but he was fired directly because of his actions in this case. That comes in 10 out of 10 trials.
This post was edited on 5/23/25 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 5/23/25 at 5:33 pm to rt3
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It seems obvious to me there was a pre-trial ruling saying anything related to that investigator is off limits unless a witness opens the door to it
Really Matlock? You got a link to this?
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