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re: Karen Read murder trial - Not guilty on main - guilty of OUI(DUI) only
Posted on 5/27/25 at 8:17 pm to DeoreDX
Posted on 5/27/25 at 8:17 pm to DeoreDX
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I got bit by a dog through a sweatshirt and the marks on my arm looked exactly like the photos
I think it was Rebel who mentioned seeing how police dogs are trained to attack. I don't know if their dog was trained as a police dog, but they are trained to go at the upper arm. I posted some youtube reels of a few police dogs being trained. I think the Alberts had a German Shepard mix.
My theory is that O'Keefe was arguing with whoever and for some reason Maybe the dog was over protective? the dog attacked, knocked him down (which is possible especially since O'keefe had been drinking and the dog attacked where it as trained to attack... upper arm.
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Posted on 5/27/25 at 8:26 pm to 10tiger
They stopped for the day when the expert perhaps (even likely) overstepped and said "That is what happened." in response to a question from the prosecution about the alleged collision with John O'Keefe. So the judge is making a ruling tomorrow morning about it. It's still direct examination.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:24 am to KosmoCramer
Who is up today?
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:27 am to KosmoCramer
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They stopped for the day when the expert perhaps (even likely) overstepped and said "That is what happened."
Good grief so Aunt Bev stops it because it goes against the state? They are there to PROVE it beyond a reasonable doubt.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:32 am to idlewatcher
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Good grief so Aunt Bev stops it because it goes against the state? They are there to PROVE it beyond a reasonable doubt.
No, the defense is alleging that the expert cannot make a definitive statement about the ultimate finding of fact. The defense argued that the collision is what the jury is determining the facts of, while Brennan is saying that the ultimate finding of facts is whether Karen Read negligent and/or reckless, that she clearly struck him.
I think pretty obviously, it the collision that they are ultimately needing to find.
It could be grounds for a mistrial if the defense wanted to go that route. Doubtful they do.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:36 am to KosmoCramer
Well, since they have been unable to prove how exactly OJO died, how can they make that statement of fact?
So I suppose it's a net positive for the defense that Aunt Bev stopped it. I didn't get to watch yesterday so ty for the input
So I suppose it's a net positive for the defense that Aunt Bev stopped it. I didn't get to watch yesterday so ty for the input
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:41 am to idlewatcher
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Well, since they have been unable to prove how exactly OJO died, how can they make that statement of fact?
I personally very much agree.
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So I suppose it's a net positive for the defense that Aunt Bev stopped it. I didn't get to watch yesterday so ty for the input
The expert shouldn't have made the definitive statement that he did, even if they did have a more concrete theory.
We'll see what Bev has to say this morning.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:50 am to idlewatcher
The downside to Bev ending for the day right after that statement is that it’s the last thing the jury heard for the day. It’s what they will remember most from the day. I think it was a major error on Bev’s part to end for the day without instructing the jury on what was wrong with that statement.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:54 am to LSUGrrrl
I'd imagine your argument will hold water if she allows it to stand. Otherwise, it will open pandora's box once again.
Seems like evidence is in this case is already extremely subjective. Wrong shoe, wrong Aperture times, etc etc yet they all speak in certainties.
Seems like evidence is in this case is already extremely subjective. Wrong shoe, wrong Aperture times, etc etc yet they all speak in certainties.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 8:56 am to idlewatcher
I don’t think it matters if she lets it stand or not. They already heard it and had an entire night to think about it. You can’t unring a bell. All she can do at this point is instruct the jury to disregard the statement but that won’t make them forget the words.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:00 am to LSUGrrrl
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I don’t think it matters if she lets it stand or not. They already heard it and had an entire night to think about it. You can’t unring a bell. All she can do at this point is instruct the jury to disregard the statement but that won’t make them forget the words.
Allessi is going to roast this guy on cross for his grade school level experiments, and his own statements about how they have no idea when in the tech stream data the alleged collision occured, where on the property it allegedly occured, where JOK was standing when it allegedly happened, in what manner he was allegedly struck to inflict the wounds seen on the deceased but at the same time not have any bruising or broken bones, etc.
And Bev is going to strike that statement, and I don't think it makes much a difference in the long run because this expert wasn't even convincing on direct IMO.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:04 am to KosmoCramer
You make a good point about cross. She will strike that statement but that won’t really make a difference. Alessi’s cross will be what buries this guys testimony.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:24 am to LSUGrrrl
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Alessi’s cross will be what buries this guys testimony
100%
Hopefully the CW isn't riding too high today thinking they won something
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:36 am to idlewatcher
Alessi is up. This may be the turning point of the trial
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:42 am to BrewDrees95
He's already sweating 
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:54 am to idlewatcher
This dude said its likely that the taillight would break if it impacted an arm at over 8mph. 
This dude is an embarrassment to actual engineers
This dude is an embarrassment to actual engineers
Posted on 5/28/25 at 9:58 am to civiltiger07
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This dude is an embarrassment to actual engineers
You can tell he's overmatched.
And he's hostile....which is not a good look.
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:01 am to idlewatcher
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You can tell he's overmatched.
And he's hostile....which is not a good look.
I didn't get to cross yet. That will be fun
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:02 am to idlewatcher
These witnesses who are hostile and smart arse over the smallest details are doing no favors to the CW
Posted on 5/28/25 at 10:04 am to civiltiger07
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I didn't get to cross yet. That will be fun
You missing out baw. It's good.
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