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re: Kanye: "I see good things about Hitler. Every human being has value...especially Hitler"
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:23 am to Epic Cajun
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:23 am to Epic Cajun
Its also not really worth mentioning the "good things" the nazis did, given everything else they did, wouldn't you say?
Its certainly not worth mentioning on camera if you're Kanye West.
Its certainly not worth mentioning on camera if you're Kanye West.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:25 am to whatiknowsofar
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If you are his guardian that wants to go kill a few million Jewish people after then taking him to a farm won't do shite to help him in the long run.
So an adults personal politics should keep you from trying to do what is good for a child... gotcha
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 10:26 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:27 am to Fun Bunch
Meh. The US space program loved them some Nazis. Wernher von Braun would’ve been canceled and fired by NASA in today’s world.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:31 am to WWII Collector
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So an adults personal politics should keep you from trying to do what is good for a child... gotcha
It's not about if some Nazis were ever nice.
The norm of not praising Nazis has been around for 80 years and is a good norm. We should keep it. It was a fricking awful ideology and should not be normalized.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:31 am to Fun Bunch
Right, it's such a weird take.
That's like saying, "that Jeffrey Dahmer fellow had some real positive attributes. He was a charming guy, and he would frequently take in young men into his home. He was such a helpful guy, always willing to buy drinks for others. I also hear he was great at giving head, right before chopping off their head."
That's like saying, "that Jeffrey Dahmer fellow had some real positive attributes. He was a charming guy, and he would frequently take in young men into his home. He was such a helpful guy, always willing to buy drinks for others. I also hear he was great at giving head, right before chopping off their head."
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:31 am to GeauxxxTigers23
Which he should. Our pardoning and use of honest to christ Nazis in our rocket program is one of the shittiest and disgraceful things our country has ever done
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:32 am to QJenk
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That's like saying, "that Jeffrey Dahmer fellow had some real positive attributes. He was a charming guy, and he would frequently take in young men into his home.
Its not remotely close to that.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:34 am to WestCoastAg
Yeah but we beat the Russians to the moon and got tang and Velcro out it. Which is more important than the people’s Nazi hating feelings.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:42 am to TigerDoc
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The norm of not praising Nazis has been around for 80 years and is a good norm. We should keep it. It was a fricking awful ideology and should not be normalized.
I agree... All I did was state facts.. YE is a nut basket.
I just pointed out history.. BUT. The problem I see with the point of view in this thread I'd this. It's a twisted point of view by ignoring history. The way you guys are debating me is wrong.
In y'alls point of view.
Today.. I can't donate to charity to help the poor in America because the Nazis did it too. And the nazis did bad stuff.
We can't help neglected kids find good homes because the nazis did it too...
Ever heard the phrase "throwing the baby out with the bathwater."
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 10:46 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:47 am to WWII Collector
Um, no.
The norm is you shouldn't praise Nazis for doing good without placing it in context lest we normalize Nazism and welcome it into acceptable politics.
If you want to encourage people to do acts of charity, use examples from regimes that aren't totalitarian or if you ever do praise something the Nazis did, don't do so without placing it in context (which you should know as a WWII Collector is an overwhelmingly awful totalitarian state).
Re-read the responses to you - others have been getting at this.
We can get into how crypto-fash try to normalize their ideology in free societies if you're interested.
The norm is you shouldn't praise Nazis for doing good without placing it in context lest we normalize Nazism and welcome it into acceptable politics.
If you want to encourage people to do acts of charity, use examples from regimes that aren't totalitarian or if you ever do praise something the Nazis did, don't do so without placing it in context (which you should know as a WWII Collector is an overwhelmingly awful totalitarian state).
Re-read the responses to you - others have been getting at this.
We can get into how crypto-fash try to normalize their ideology in free societies if you're interested.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 11:10 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 10:54 am to WWII Collector
quote:uhhhh what
Today.. I can't donate to charity to help the poor in America because the Nazis did it too. And the nazis did bad stuff.
We can't help neglected kids find good homes because the nazis did it too...
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:12 am to QJenk
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That's like saying, "that Jeffrey Dahmer fellow had some real positive attributes. He was a charming guy, and he would frequently take in young men into his home. He was such a helpful guy, always willing to buy drinks for others. I also hear he was great at giving head, right before chopping off their head."
I could be wrong, but I think he was using it as an extreme example, showing that every single person has done good and bad things in their lives.
It's not even a take, it's just a fact.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:16 am to TigerDoc
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If you want to encourage people to do acts of charity, use examples from regimes that aren't totalitarian or if you ever do praise something the Nazis did, don't do so without placing it in context (which you should know as a WWII Collector) is an overwhelmingly awful totalitarian state.
Sir, I agree with you.. And YE Is stupid.
But very simply put the question is this: "Did the nazis do ANYTHING good?" If the answer is "No".
Then by that logic donating to the help feed the poor in America is not good either because the nazi did it and they never did anything good... See my point?
Now as to regime.. The Japanese did atrocities too.. But while all Nazi's were removed and punished. Emperor Hirohito got to remain in power... Why is that?
P-O-L-I-T-I-C-S
Everything is viewed through a political lens and it should not be. And that is why history is important.
This post was edited on 12/2/22 at 11:21 am
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:27 am to TigerDoc
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The norm is you shouldn't praise Nazis for doing good without placing it in context lest we normalize Nazism and welcome it into acceptable politics.
So, if you praise anything that someone does as good, you are in turn validating everything that person has done in their entire lives? That's a weird take.
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:31 am to Epic Cajun
Trump/Ye 2024
Ye solidifies Trumps Base
Ye solidifies Trumps Base
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:31 am to WWII Collector
quote:this continues to make absolutely no sense
Then by that logic donating to the help feed the poor in America is not good either because the nazi did it and they never did anything good...
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:34 am to WestCoastAg
This thread is full of so much retardation it hurts. Y’all are all idiots
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:34 am to WWII Collector
I agree with you that no regime or society is 100% evil.
We're talking about the norm of discussion to contextualize praiseworthy things within terrible regimes.
The typical strategy for fascists in free spaces trying to get a foothold in electoral politics is to normalize uncontextualized praise for fascist ideology and history.
Try not to do that (and if you continually do, people will start assuming you're an adherent yourself).
We're talking about the norm of discussion to contextualize praiseworthy things within terrible regimes.
The typical strategy for fascists in free spaces trying to get a foothold in electoral politics is to normalize uncontextualized praise for fascist ideology and history.
Try not to do that (and if you continually do, people will start assuming you're an adherent yourself).
Posted on 12/2/22 at 11:38 am to WestCoastAg
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this continues to make absolutely no sense
I think his argument is:
If you criticize me for talking about praiseworthy things within Nazism then you must believe all within Nazism is blameworthy.
If you believe all within Nazism is blameworthy, then then those things that are considered praiseworthy here but that you condemn in Nazism must really be blameworthy here.
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