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re: Kaci Hickox (Ebola nurse) is a real piece of work

Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:42 am to
Posted by White Shadeaux
In the nicest parts of hell
Member since Jan 2006
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:42 am to
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quote:SFP just said there are laws specifically for this. Hence not illegal. And yes, yes I do. Confine that filthy tramp.

Idiot


Sounds like lsu480 has a crush on that filthy whore.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43957 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:52 am to
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against a highly infectious disease with a high mortality rate?


It is not highly infectious. It is actually a very weak virus outside the body. The flu is a way stronger and more infectous virus than ebola except for at the very end. At the end stages, it is highly infectious because the patient is releasing vast amounts of contaminated fluids (i.e shite and vomit) and healthcare workers are in contact with the fluids that is why they wear the protective gear. It also does not have a high mortality rate in countries where there is a decent healthcare system. Go watch the NYT video on ebola in west africa and you will see why the healthcare system in Liberia is overwhelmed, hell the Doctors Without Borders hospital is basically a barn.

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his is one area that clearly puts me in the "libertarian" group and not the "anarchist" group



I am a libertarian and I think that requiring them to monitor their temps and get to a hospital when they have a fever approaching 100 is all that is needed. Even though the CDC considers a 100.4 a fever for ebola, most research says that it is not contagious until around 101.5 even then it is not as contagious as it is at the end.

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and what happens if this doesn't work properly? like the Dr in NYC (who was also caught lying his arse off) ?

again, that's the problem: self-regulation. it's clear right now that people aren't going to properly self-regulate themselves


you make an example of him. You want to punish all the others aide workers coming home, which is probably in the hundreds or more since the outbreak began, because 1 guy was an asshat.

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often no more than an asymptomatic ebola patient


no, there has to be a reason for the observation or a history of mental illness. I can't just say that my neighbor was acting funny this morning and have him committed.
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If you pose an immediate safety risk to yourself or others due to symptoms of mental illness and you don't want to go to hospital, you could be committed on an involuntary basis; that is, against your will. Because involuntary commitment overrides your civil liberties strict laws and procedures are in place to protect your rights. Rules vary by state, but civil commitment must be limited initially to a few days. If the commitment order is to be renewed a judge and two doctors must agree that you still need to be in hospital. While in hospital you have a right to receive treatment in order to become eligible for discharge
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LA. REV. STAT. ANN. § 28:2(3). "Dangerous to others" means the condition of a person whose behavior or significant threats support a reasonable expectation that there is a substantial risk that he will inflict physical harm upon another person in the near future.

LA. REV. STAT. ANN. § 28:2(4). "Dangerous to self" means the condition of a person whose behavior, significant threats or inaction supports a reasonable expectation that there is a substantial risk that he will inflict physical or severe emotional harm upon his own person.

LA. REV. STAT. ANN. § 28:2(10). "Gravely disabled" means the condition of a person who is unable to provide for his own basic physical needs, such as essential food, clothing, medical care, and shelter, as a result of serious mental illness or substance abuse and is unable to survive safely in freedom or protect himself from serious harm; the term also includes incapacitation by alcohol, which means the condition of a person who, as a result of the use of alcohol, is unconscious or whose judgment is otherwise so impaired that he is incapable of realizing and making a rational decision with respect to his need for treatment.
Louisiana's rules
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the potential risk is the issue, not the eminent risk


There is bo current evidence that suggests that an asymptomatic patients posses a risk.
That is how Hitler came to power.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 10:59 am
Posted by Yung_Humma
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:52 am to
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Posted by White Shadeaux
In the nicest parts of hell
Member since Jan 2006
24114 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:54 am to
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That is how Hitler came to power.


He already is. His name is Obama.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20436 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:56 am to
So let's just lock up any and everybody that comes from a country that's had an Ebola case for 20+ days.
Posted by White Shadeaux
In the nicest parts of hell
Member since Jan 2006
24114 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:57 am to
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So let's just lock up any and everybody that comes from a country that's had an Ebola case for 20+ days.


Or, do like every other president has done before a-hole, and not let any of the fricks into the country.
Posted by Bluefin
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Member since Apr 2011
13447 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:57 am to
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He shouldn't have because liberals are being way more rational when it comes to Ebola, even Obama is being rational. There is ZERO reason for Americans on US soil to worry about Ebola. Anyone that does worry either doesn't understand the disease or is just looking for an excuse to worry.

I don't think this is a politically-identifiable characteristic. Americans of all varieties are scared of this virus, and it is all due to the media. CNN is the main perpetrator in this. I would throw Fox News in there, but Shep Smith's rant against Ebola fear has caused them to tone down their fear rhetoric immensely.

It is pretty simple. The countries where Ebola has been spreading lack the infrastructure and resources to be able to identify and contain the outbreak - that's why it has spread so easily there.

The US, on the other hand, has the best medical resources in the world and I don't think it is out of reason for quarantines to be issued in possible cases. Hickox probably doesn't have Ebola, but people seem to forget that she did have a fever when she got off her plane, which triggered this whole thing. It's not like every single person who is returning from West Africa is being force-quarantined.

I think it is the nature of the virus - uncontrollable vomiting/diarrhea, bleeding orifices, and smoldering fevers - is the reason people are so freaked out about it. For the most part, that is all they know about it.

I agree that Americans really have no reason to worry about an outbreak, but I don't think keeping a close eye on the people who have worked closely with Ebola victims is unwarranted.
Posted by geaux88
Northshore, LA
Member since Oct 2003
16355 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:59 am to
That filthy stink pussied count needs to be dry fricked in the a-hole with an Ebola infected rusty tire iron. I've never seen a more insufferable bitch besides perhaps Nancy Pelosi.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
41956 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:02 am to
This 21 day quarantine just smacks of knee-jerk political decision making so that the politicians can point and say "look at what we have done to save you".

I think Doctors should make the necessary decisions, not politicians.

ETA: I'm also surprised by the crowd clamoring in support of this. Smacks of BIG BORTHER.
This post was edited on 10/29/14 at 11:03 am
Posted by Bluefin
The Banana Stand
Member since Apr 2011
13447 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:07 am to
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This 21 day quarantine just smacks of knee-jerk political decision making so that the politicians can point and say "look at what we have done to save you".

People are quick to jump on Governor Christie about his quarantine enforcement, but seem to forget that Governor Cuomo from NY shared the same stance.

If Hickox had landed at LaGuardia or JFK, she would have still been quarantined.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20436 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:18 am to
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do like every other president has done before a-hole, and not let any of the fricks into the country.


You're showing your ignorance. There are little to or no direct flights to America from the African countries with Ebola outbreaks. You'd have to cut off all traffic from outside the country.
Posted by ashy larry
Marcy Projects
Member since Mar 2010
5577 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:30 am to
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I don't think this is a politically-identifiable characteristic. Americans of all varieties are scared of this virus, and it is all due to the media.

agree and I would add social media as well.
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It is pretty simple. The countries where Ebola has been spreading lack the infrastructure and resources to be able to identify and contain the outbreak - that's why it has spread so easily there.

The US, on the other hand, has the best medical resources in the world and I don't think it is out of reason for quarantines to be issued in possible cases. Hickox probably doesn't have Ebola

agree
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people seem to forget that she did have a fever when she got off her plane, which triggered this whole thing.

According to a forehead scanner. Her temperature was normal when tested orally.
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It's not like every single person who is returning from West Africa is being force-quarantined.


from the newyorker.com
"On Friday, (Governor Chris Christie) and Governor Andrew Cuomo held a press conference to explain that this was the sort of thing that tough governors did, and that New York and New Jersey would hold in quarantine for twenty-one days anyone arriving from West Africa who’d been around Ebola patients. "


Posted by Count Chocula
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Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:34 am to
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Nancy Pelosi
Speaking of those deserving Ebola...
Posted by iliveinabox
in a box
Member since Aug 2011
24137 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 11:50 am to
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this woman reminds me so so much of the Lawyer chick from the strain that was infected on the airplane and when they put her in quaranteen she threatened to sue everyone.
bingo
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112626 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:03 pm to
I don't know much about this story, can someone explain what the difference is between her and all the healthcare workers who treated the Dallas Ebola patient?
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
19102 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:14 pm to
Yes they can
Posted by Badman
West Monroe, LA
Member since Nov 2009
2703 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:20 pm to
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To protect the masses sure. I'm all for it. She chose to go to fricking Zimbabwe. Play the game, win the prize


THIS!!!!
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62110 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:29 pm to
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Do you want the government illegally forcing someone into confinement?



I want the government offering a single option for reentry into the country from those traveling from West Africa...and certainly those exposed to Ebola patients: 21 day quarantine, or denial of reentry.

That's not police state. That's not a violation of civil rights. God bless those who are willing to go perform medical services there. But, they need to understand the consequences.
Posted by WeeWee
Member since Aug 2012
43957 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:29 pm to
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people seem to forget that she did have a fever when she got off her plane, which triggered this whole thing.

According to a forehead scanner. Her temperature was normal when tested orally.


I think that taking her by ambulance was unnecessary, they should have just moved her to the side for further screening and used an oral thermomentor.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
62110 posts
Posted on 10/29/14 at 12:31 pm to
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She was tested for the virus and it came back negative... Why would she need to be in quarantine?



Does a negative test guarantee that she doesn't have the virus and won't develop the symptoms within the 21 day period? I was understanding that it did not.
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