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re: Kaci Hickox (Ebola nurse) is a real piece of work
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:52 am to SlowFlowPro
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but we already have 2 cases (which is a high % of total cases) of people with Ebola lying about all sorts of things
So go after the indivials. Take away the arsehat in NY's MD if you want or some other sanctions against him. Why punish those that pose no threat and having done anything wrong, yet?
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i get hickox's argument, but her argument has a severe flaw: self-reporting. people with Ebola in the US have shown they won't adequately do this
Make an example out of the liars and the lying will stop. There is no need to punish those that have done nothing wrong. I am pretty sure that violates the 5th Amendment.
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No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
I would say a forced quaratnine violates that
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Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:54 am to Mung
quote:In this situation I would do it and while not happy about it I wouldn't raise a fuss about it either.
yeah, i'm sure you would gladly be stuck in quarantine for 21 days.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:54 am to SippyCup
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The NJ quarantine was in a tent with a portolet and no shower. I would sue too if that were my accommodations.
So, these people going to Africa are willing to put their lives in danger treating this disease. But, they aren't willing to deal with the discomfort of a 21 day quarantine when they get back?
They should view the quarantine as part of their sacrifice that they are making when the decide to go over there.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:56 am to WeeWee
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So go after the indivials.
that's inefficient b/c it's typical reactionary behavior by government
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Why punish those that pose no threat and having done anything wrong, yet?
"punishment" is the wrong word. these people also clearly assumed the risk of quarantine by going over there. in the end, it was their choice
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Make an example out of the liars and the lying will stop
still reactionary and ineffective, esp if they die (Which 50% have so far)
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I would say a forced quaratnine violates that
quarantines are legal and the authority is granted under a bunch of different laws and regulations
a more relevant example is forced observation for mental illness. this happens all the time with limited due process initially
now if you want to discuss whether we should address this? fine, but as of now, it's legal
Posted on 10/29/14 at 9:58 am to moneyg
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So, these people going to Africa are willing to put their lives in danger treating this disease. But, they aren't willing to deal with the discomfort of a 21 day quarantine when they get back?
As I stated earlier, I think she is a major count, but the conditions of her quarantine were not fair considering the facilities available.
I would like to see Chris Christies fat arse last 24 hours in those conditions.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:00 am to Winkface
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They are absolutely related. People will stop going to help fight it because they know how they will be treated when they return. Disease spreads.
Are you kidding me? If so, then those people have no business calling themselves "humanitarians". They clearly don't give a shite about the plight of the suffering African like they claim if they won't go because they'll have to be quarantined.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:02 am to DosManos
Why is WeeWee so angry? Is he one of those "FREEEEDDDOOOOMMMMMMM" morons with not a care about his neighbor?
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:03 am to Winkface
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People will stop going to help fight it because they know how they will be treated when they return. Disease spreads.
People who really care to help stop the spread of Ebola in West Africa won't care that they have to be quarantined when they return.
If I were in medicine and went to Liberia to help treat victims, I would understand that there is a possibility I have contracted the virus before I returned to the US. In order to reassure everyone back home and keep the minds of those I encounter at ease, a three week quarantine seems acceptable. You can test negative for the virus, but still actually have the virus. Anything that is a possibility should be monitored.
People need to remember that these measures are merely precautionary. It's not like she has been imprisoned because she's a suspected traitor. The nurses who worked with Nina Pham are still monitoring themselves. Why? For the sake of their own peace of mind and for those around them.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:03 am to Winkface
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But testing negative doesn't mean you wont develop the virus?
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Your garbage from naturalnews.com is garbage.
Now I'm confused about what information is correct, and I am curious about the specific circumstances of the original negative test.
I heard on the news that there is a claim that there is no medical reason for the quarantine. If that's true then the conclusion should be obvious.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:04 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:You can only say this if you keep it over there. We've already seen that it isn't staying in Africa.
ebola is africa's issue for them to figure out
quote:They could but they're not.
pretty sure the government could instruct airliners to not accept flights from all sorts of people.
quote:Not impossible at all.
that's impossible and will be a waste of money
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:04 am to Broke
Question: So they tested her and the results came back negative. So there is a test? If so, why would you need a quarantine of 21 days?
If the test can only find the virus once you've become contagious then the test is only useful once symptoms are present and should only be administered during the quarantine period IF symptoms emerge. AKA quaratine is necessary for all potentially exposed individuals.
If the test can only find the virus once you've become contagious then the test is only useful once symptoms are present and should only be administered during the quarantine period IF symptoms emerge. AKA quaratine is necessary for all potentially exposed individuals.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:04 am to moneyg
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So, these people going to Africa are willing to put their lives in danger treating this disease. But, they aren't willing to deal with the discomfort of a 21 day quarantine when they get back?
They should view the quarantine as part of their sacrifice that they are making when the decide to go over there.
My thoughts exactly.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:07 am to Winkface
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You can only say this if you keep it over there.
it has been over there pretty much and we can take steps to do a good job of keeping it there
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They could but they're not.
yet
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Not impossible at all.
with the current structure of Africa, it's pretty impossible. this will always pop back up here or there
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:07 am to Broke
Ship her back until she is cleared of virus
Citizen or not
She chose to go there and we choose to protect the majority
Citizen or not
She chose to go there and we choose to protect the majority
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:07 am to DosManos
quote:I take a week of vacation every year to go to Nicaragua on a mission trip. If I was then forced to take 4 weeks vacation, I'd stop going.
Are you kidding me? If so, then those people have no business calling themselves "humanitarians". They clearly don't give a shite about the plight of the suffering African like they claim if they won't go because they'll have to be quarantined.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:10 am to Broke
quote:Having ebola isn't illegal. They can't lock her up, and shouldn't be able to. You big government liberals are fricking retarded.
Wants to sue everybody so she can do whatever the frick she wants.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:10 am to dr smartass phd
she's not going to win a tort claim, preventing a virus with such a high mortality rate from walking around in a city of 8 million people.
get a playstation, some dvds, and order some Chinese...and enjoy your extended staycation
get a playstation, some dvds, and order some Chinese...and enjoy your extended staycation
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:11 am to SlowFlowPro
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So go after the indivials.
that's inefficient b/c it's typical reactionary behavior by government
so a police state intervention is necessary.
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"punishment" is the wrong word. these people also clearly assumed the risk of quarantine by going over there. in the end, it was their choice
Most of the ppl that go there work for organizations like Smaritians Cross, Doctors Without Borders and have been going there since the outbreak began and came home and not passed on the disease to a single person. The organizations also have protocols for their ppl to follow and they recommend a self-quaratnine but it is not mandated.
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still reactionary and ineffective, esp if they die (Which 50% have so far)
2 out of 9 is not 50%. There have been 9 cases in the US (Duncan, Pham, Vinson, the CNN cameraman, the unknown case @ Emory, this guy and the 2 docs that were brought from Africa).
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quarantines are legal and the authority is granted under a bunch of different laws and regulations
Those quaratnine laws applty for when someone presents a danger to the public by being able to spread it. Ebola is not spreadable when you are asymptomatic, now once you become symptomatic throw their asses into quaratine at the hospital until they are virus free.
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more relevant example is forced observation for mental illness. this happens all the time with limited due process initially
apples and oranges. Mentally ill patients pose a risk to the public as well as themselves. Asymptomatic ebola patients pose no risk to the public. Duncan was symptomatic at home for atleast 55 hours (over 2 days) and he did not spread it to his family memebers.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:12 am to lsusteve1
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Ship her back until she is cleared of virus
You can't do that. You would potentially be exposing more people. Has to be dealt here and now. Quarantine is the only solution.
Posted on 10/29/14 at 10:14 am to Bluefin
quote:They are still monitoring but they aren't quarantined.
The nurses who worked with Nina Pham are still monitoring themselves. Why? For the sake of their own peace of mind and for those around them.
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