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re: Just Saw EV CAR on a tow truck getting charged at a charging station
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:09 am to Hangover Haven
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:09 am to Hangover Haven
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You can't just bring a charging station to an EV..
Ever heard of a generator or the Chevy volt?
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Posted on 10/16/23 at 5:50 am to shel311
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If you don't run out of gas ever, why would you worry about running out of battery?
I would imagine the odds of running out of battery are much higher due to lack of charging stations and long wait times.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 8:56 am to thebigmuffaletta
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I would imagine the odds of running out of battery are much higher
They aren’t. The odds of being a dipshit who runs out of gas or charge are the same for EVs and ICE because it’s an idiot problem not a fuel source problem.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 8:57 am
Posted on 10/16/23 at 9:22 am to deltaland
quote:That really doesn't answer my question. Unless, i'm not trying to be a dick, your answer is just that you're not knowledgeable on EVs. If that is why you'd worry, then I get it.
Because EVs don’t have the range gas cars do and there is way less charging stations than gas stations.
quote:What does "here" even mean? Your home? If so, yes there is.
There isn’t a charging station within 80 miles of here
Posted on 10/16/23 at 12:53 pm to billjamin
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It was being charged while on a tow truck?
That’s correct.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 12:55 pm to Bow dude72
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I’m gonna fight and hope I never have to get one of those things.
Serious discussions among adults who ought to know better about buying an electric pickup and putting a generator in the bed. Seriously, a lot of people think that is an option. The idiocy in most things EV is off the chart but a 1/2 ton electric pickup may be the dumbest idea ever dreamed up in the fevered imagination of man...
Posted on 10/16/23 at 12:58 pm to Bow dude72
AAA
that tow truck driver must be loving it
that tow truck driver must be loving it
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:01 pm to Korkstand
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Edit: It's pretty obvious that ICE vehicles have exactly ONE advantage, and that is refuel times. Hence the intense focus on that one aspect and complete disregard of all others, to include reduced cost per mile, reduced maintenance time and cost, convenience, etc etc.
ICE vehicles also have a pretty substantial and well documented history of reliability and cost effectiveness that EVs can't possibly compete with because the technology is relatively new. There is also the published data from manufacturers that suggest that it just is not practical to drive a 3000 pound vehicle capable of carrying 3000 pounds 75 miles per hour with 200 pounds on board. Given that there is an alternative with a proven record of doing just that, which is readily supported with an infrastructure, and is just as cost effective. I am happy folks are buying EVs. Y'all will pay out of pocket to work out the bugs and in 10 years sensible people will buy one for a song which is actually practical. Thank you.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:09 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Technologies are developed and improved every day, but do you think that batteries and electric motors do not have long documented histories of reliability?
ICE vehicles also have a pretty substantial and well documented history of reliability and cost effectiveness that EVs can't possibly compete with because the technology is relatively new.
quote:What are you talking about?
There is also the published data from manufacturers that suggest that it just is not practical to drive a 3000 pound vehicle capable of carrying 3000 pounds 75 miles per hour with 200 pounds on board.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:11 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:I would expect that in 5-10 years 1/2 ton EV pickups will be a very popular option, particularly as fleet vehicles.
The idiocy in most things EV is off the chart but a 1/2 ton electric pickup may be the dumbest idea ever dreamed up in the fevered imagination of man...
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:16 pm to Bow dude72
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That’s correct.
Something's going on. It doesn't make any sense for a tow truck to stick around.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:20 pm to shel311
EVs are "practical" as commuters and for anyone who is willing to limit their range to less than 300 miles without a substantial period (30 minutes or so) of charging time at what would amount to the price of a tank of gas. Thats according to manufacturer data, not mine.
A good example is the Hyundai Ionic. Lowest priced EV on the market as of August. Has a standard range of about 270 miles but actualy range at 70 MPH is, according to several testing sites, about 230 miles (the same is true of rated fuel mileage, very few people get what the manufcaturer claims). That car has a sticker price of around $40K and you can get in one for around $45K. All the data suggests that the cost of ownership for that car would be about 170% of the cost of ownership of a ICE Toyota Camry. And when the Camry has 250K miles on it you can sell it for $10K. When the Hyunadai has about 100K on it you can pay a junkyard about $2500 to take it off your hands. These are real world figures that have been reported by manufacturers if you will take the time to do the research. It is not practical. It gets even worse when the vehicle costs $100K or you frick around and buy an electric HumVee for some inexplicable but probably based on a tiny pecker reason...
A good example is the Hyundai Ionic. Lowest priced EV on the market as of August. Has a standard range of about 270 miles but actualy range at 70 MPH is, according to several testing sites, about 230 miles (the same is true of rated fuel mileage, very few people get what the manufcaturer claims). That car has a sticker price of around $40K and you can get in one for around $45K. All the data suggests that the cost of ownership for that car would be about 170% of the cost of ownership of a ICE Toyota Camry. And when the Camry has 250K miles on it you can sell it for $10K. When the Hyunadai has about 100K on it you can pay a junkyard about $2500 to take it off your hands. These are real world figures that have been reported by manufacturers if you will take the time to do the research. It is not practical. It gets even worse when the vehicle costs $100K or you frick around and buy an electric HumVee for some inexplicable but probably based on a tiny pecker reason...
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:21 pm to AwgustaDawg
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ICE vehicles also have a pretty substantial and well documented history of reliability and cost effectiveness that EVs can't possibly compete with because the technology is relatively new.
The EV tech itself does a lot to remove many of the failure points associated with ICE powered vehicles. There's plenty of reliability data on these things because they're basically data recorders on wheels.
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Y'all will pay out of pocket to work out the bugs and in 10 years sensible people will buy one for a song which is actually practical.
Early adopters always shoulder some of the development expense. Thats true across basically everything. But thats not really where we're at with the EV development now. Someone who bought a model S in 2012 was an early adopter. Someone who bought one in 2023, 4 million units later, isn't really an early adopter anymore. The tech is pretty well fleshed out in it's current state.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:28 pm to Korkstand
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Technologies are developed and improved every day, but do you think that batteries and electric motors do not have long documented histories of reliability?
Compared to ICE carrying similar loads over similar distances under similar conditions? Anyone in their right mind knows that batteries and electric motors do not even come close to having a documented history of reliability to do what ICE do. It is not even close. The majority of EVs would never move an inch if it were not for a PILE of ICE vehicles and power plants turning fossil fuels into the components and energy the EV requires. It is modern day alchemy at best....and like alchemy at any point in history only fools believe.
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There is also the published data from manufacturers that suggest that it just is not practical to drive a 3000 pound vehicle capable of carrying 3000 pounds 75 miles per hour with 200 pounds on board.
What are you talking about?
This is what about 80% of ICE vehicles are used for. Manufacturers are building EVs to do the same thing. It is not necessary but it is what they are building. It is not necessary because there is already a vehicle which does it far more cost effectively all things considered. EVS make perfect sense as shot distance commuters at reasonable carrying capacities and reasonable speeds...they can not hold a candle to an ICE at doing what both ICE and EVs are being built to do...and what they are being built to do is carry 200 - 300 pounds in a 3000 pound vehicle 75 mph. A Mitsubisuh Mirage will do that for about 1/4 of what the cheapest EV will do it for over the lifetime of owning it....
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:30 pm to Korkstand
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The idiocy in most things EV is off the chart but a 1/2 ton electric pickup may be the dumbest idea ever dreamed up in the fevered imagination of man...
I would expect that in 5-10 years 1/2 ton EV pickups will be a very popular option, particularly as fleet vehicles.
Hool Hoops used to be popular, they have almost as much practical application as an electric 1/2 ton pickup truck.
Take a look at the range of a Ford Lightning at 80% of its towing capacity. You will see why it is not practical. It is popular...hard pressed to buy one and take delivery of it...but popular seldom indicates practicality....
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:41 pm to AwgustaDawg
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they have almost as much practical application as an electric 1/2 ton pickup truck.
3/4 of trucks sold tow/haul 0-1 times per year.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:44 pm to AwgustaDawg
quote:Do you have any idea how many electric motors are required to produce the parts for... abso-fricking-lutely everything?
The majority of EVs would never move an inch if it were not for a PILE of ICE vehicles and power plants turning fossil fuels into the components and energy the EV requires.
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This is what about 80% of ICE vehicles are used for. Manufacturers are building EVs to do the same thing. It is not necessary but it is what they are building. It is not necessary because there is already a vehicle which does it far more cost effectively all things considered. EVS make perfect sense as shot distance commuters at reasonable carrying capacities and reasonable speeds...they can not hold a candle to an ICE at doing what both ICE and EVs are being built to do...and what they are being built to do is carry 200 - 300 pounds in a 3000 pound vehicle 75 mph. A Mitsubisuh Mirage will do that for about 1/4 of what the cheapest EV will do it for over the lifetime of owning it....
You clearly haven't considered how many use-cases EVs are better for. A lot, a LOT, of fleet pickups never haul more than a few hundred pounds and never leave a 100 mile radius of HQ, and go 50k+ miles per year. EV pickups are going to be very popular very soon.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:46 pm to MoarKilometers
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I'd rather charge off of 15/20 amps than call a tow truck.
If you had to guess, how many miles of charge per hour can you get from a 120v outlet?
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:47 pm to billjamin
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ICE vehicles also have a pretty substantial and well documented history of reliability and cost effectiveness that EVs can't possibly compete with because the technology is relatively new.
The EV tech itself does a lot to remove many of the failure points associated with ICE powered vehicles. There's plenty of reliability data on these things because they're basically data recorders on wheels.
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Y'all will pay out of pocket to work out the bugs and in 10 years sensible people will buy one for a song which is actually practical.
Early adopters always shoulder some of the development expense. Thats true across basically everything. But thats not really where we're at with the EV development now. Someone who bought a model S in 2012 was an early adopter. Someone who bought one in 2023, 4 million units later, isn't really an early adopter anymore. The tech is pretty well fleshed out in it's current state.
2012 and 4 million units later is about what, 1/100000th of the amount of data available on ICE vehicles being used in exactly the same manner as the EV in question?
According to Edmunds, Car and Driver and Consumer Reports that 2012 S model cost its owner almost 5 times what a toyota camry owner spent to own that car since 2012. There are currentl7 198 Camries that vintage for sell in the US with the highest mileage being a little under 400K miles and the average being a little over 200K. There are 10 model s's for sell that vintage with the highest mileage being 117K miles and the average being somewhere around 45K. Per mileage the Model S owners paid about 20 times what the Camry drivers paid. The difference 11 years later is not much....it is not practical.
Posted on 10/16/23 at 1:49 pm to AwgustaDawg
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2012 and 4 million units later is about what, 1/100000th of the amount of data available on ICE vehicles being used in exactly the same manner as the EV in question?
How many of those ice cars have been reporting back live telemetry at second intervals for their entire life? You are seriously discounting the technological advantage that was baked into EVs.
quote:got a link?
According to Edmunds, Car and Driver and Consumer Reports that 2012 S model cost its owner almost 5 times what a toyota camry owner spent to own that car since 2012.
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Per mileage the Model S owners paid about 20 times what the Camry drivers paid
How are are you accounting for lower O&M expense? And why do you insist on comparing a luxury full size car to the bottom of the barrel Camry? At least make an apples to apples comparison.
This post was edited on 10/16/23 at 1:56 pm
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