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re: June 12, 2025: Air India 787 Dreamliner crashes in the city of Ahmedabad
Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:04 pm to dallastigers
Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:04 pm to dallastigers
How in the hell do you inadvertently cut off the engines moments after takeoff? That's a mind-boggling blunder. I thought the switches were protected by some guard as well?
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Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:15 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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How in the hell do you inadvertently cut off the engines moments after takeoff? That's a mind-boggling blunder. I thought the switches were protected by some guard as well?
you don't. not inadvertently.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:29 pm to billjamin
Whatever you're getting paid, it isnt enough.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:29 pm to Jmcc64
Posted on 7/11/25 at 4:34 pm to DmitriKaramazov
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How in the hell do you inadvertently cut off the engines moments after takeoff? That's a mind-boggling blunder. I thought the switches were protected by some guard as well?
Fuel supply to the engines were supposedly done sequentially one second apart from each other which seems more like a human action, but Air India also ignored acting on a 2018 FAA notice that those particular controls were potentially installed with locking mechanism disengaged which if truly never locked/engaged for 7 years during other work could allow for the small possibility of the unintentional cutting off of the fuel supply either electronically or accidentally by one of the pilots.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 9:41 pm to dallastigers
I’ll play devil’s advocate….
They rotate and the force just happens to cause a mechanism or electrical control to fail. Both pilots confused and one asks the other if he cut them off, he says he didn’t.
We’ll likely never know the truth because it’s just as likely that the suicidal pilot knew he was on the CVR and wanted to blame the other pilot. The key evidence favoring this theory is the sequential separate shut down of the levers.
They rotate and the force just happens to cause a mechanism or electrical control to fail. Both pilots confused and one asks the other if he cut them off, he says he didn’t.
We’ll likely never know the truth because it’s just as likely that the suicidal pilot knew he was on the CVR and wanted to blame the other pilot. The key evidence favoring this theory is the sequential separate shut down of the levers.
Posted on 7/11/25 at 11:35 pm to Napoleon
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India is on my list of places I'm curious about but don't really think I'll ever go. Like Iran.
If you want to go just do it differently than I am. Agra is pretty awesome and so is Rishikesh, which is full of 40 something divorcees on yoga retreats to find themselves. The Himalayas were really beautiful but still trashed by the locals. Goa is fun but kinda gotten full of Russian pimps lately. Just know the entire country has poverty that’s hard to see and it’s endless, it’s basically a giant landfill everywhere because no one GAF. I have friends and business colleagues there so get better accommodations than most. But it’s a hard trip and can be a dangerous one if you don’t know what you’re doing. My wife loves traveling with me but she refuses to come on this one. And I think I’m sending other people from my team from now on. I just don’t think I can do it anymore.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:19 am to jcaz
My understanding is you can’t just flip these switches because they have a locking mechanism that requires the pilot to lift then switch.
Posted on 7/12/25 at 1:34 am to redstick13
Posted on 7/13/25 at 8:29 pm to redstick13
Are we supposed to just believe the suicide theory, instead of possibly a switch could go bad?
Posted on 7/13/25 at 8:37 pm to redstick13
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Dubai: The crash of Air India Flight 171, which killed 260 people last month, may have been the result of deliberate human intervention rather than mechanical failure, a leading aviation safety expert has claimed — raising, for the first time, the possibility of a pilot-induced crash. In an interview with NDTV, Captain Mohan Ranganathan, one of India’s most respected aviation safety analysts and a former member of the Civil Aviation Safety Advisory Council (CASAC), said cockpit evidence and fuel switch positions point to intentional action.
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Posted on 7/13/25 at 9:02 pm to East Coast Band
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Are we supposed to just believe the suicide theory, instead of possibly a switch could go bad?
It was both switches that were transitioned to cutoff.
Posted on 7/13/25 at 11:42 pm to East Coast Band
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Are we supposed to just believe the suicide theory, instead of possibly a switch could go bad?
Which is more likely? Someone turned off 2 switches then turned them back on and the engines started reigniting or that 2 switches suddenly went bad then fixed themselves?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 5:56 am to East Coast Band
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a switch could go bad?
Two switches one second apart?
Posted on 7/14/25 at 6:13 am to redstick13
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Which is more likely? Someone turned off 2 switches then turned them back on and the engines started reigniting or that 2 switches suddenly went bad then fixed themselves?
Exactly. One engine was reignited and one attempted to.
I don’t think it was even suicide, it’s just an odd way to go. I think it’s more hungover, sick, feeling like shite, or just simply incompetent. It’s not like they were going fast enough to even 100% guarantee death, 1 fricking dude survived.
Posted on 7/14/25 at 7:33 am to baldona
Suicide is a lot more plausible.
No one is so sick or incompetent enough to cut fuel switches off. That's akin to turning your car off while driving, twice in a row.
One pilot cuts them off, the other tries to fix it.
No one is so sick or incompetent enough to cut fuel switches off. That's akin to turning your car off while driving, twice in a row.
One pilot cuts them off, the other tries to fix it.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 3:56 am to dallastigers
Now it’s come out that the captain turned the switches off. Oh boy.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 5:03 am to HeyCap
That makes the most sense that the pilot monitoring (captain) cut the fuel while the FO was busy flying. Likely the FO was the one who tried to reignite the engines as well.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 5:08 am to redstick13
It's looking more and more likely that this was suicide. What a piece of shite.
Posted on 7/17/25 at 5:08 am to redstick13
I said murder on the first pages and got downvoted to oblivion
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