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re: Judge Cancels Trial Because Lawyers on Both Sides Used AI

Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:02 am to
Posted by Shamoan
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:02 am to
Oh no, heaven forbid people use a superior intelligence and more sound reasoning to defend themselves.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:04 am to
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but like you said...AI is a tool in the tool box, experience still matters a ton.


Well it's more a set of tools in the toolbox, which you alluded to earlier in your post.

There isn't one form of AI. There are many different AI tools.

Needing to know when you need a hand screwdriver, electronic drill, or an impact driver makes a large difference, even though the function itself is the same thing. That's a bad analogy but with the tactile tool concept the tool options are limited

AI is going to be great for smart people who understand the totality of what it is and how to use it to amplify their output.

AI is going to be devastating to people who use it to be lazy.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:10 am to
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Well it's more a set of tools in the toolbox, which you alluded to earlier in your post.

There isn't one form of AI. There are many different AI tools.

Needing to know when you need a hand screwdriver, electronic drill, or an impact driver makes a large difference, even though the function itself is the same thing. That's a bad analogy but with the tactile tool concept the tool options are limited

AI is going to be great for smart people who understand the totality of what it is and how to use it to amplify their output.

AI is going to be devastating to people who use it to be lazy.


thing is if you understand how to use AI...it is already absolutely amazing and can make you 10x more productive. but as alluded to...if you dont have the understanding on how to prompt it...can be a huge time suck too making you less productive

its going to be just like you said...the smart people are going to use AI to further their careers and productivity furthering the gap between the haves and have nots.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478529 posts
Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:15 am to
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.if you dont have the understanding on how to prompt it...can be a huge time suck too making you less productive


To loop this back into the lawyer scenario, having to go and check every citation in a brief AI writes for you has to take as much, if not more, time than actually writing the brief.

Now, the legal research companies have AI-assisted stuff, and I imagine they have it refined within their legal databases, and I imagine QC to eliminate hallucinations. But those options are expensive (although, in line with this $499/mo option this idiot in OP was paying for).

But most of the lawyers we see busted for hallucinations are just typing shite into ChatGPT and copying the results. I'm not even sure if this is an efficient option with all of the time it takes to review citations.
Posted by IT_Dawg
Georgia
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:23 am to
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I didn’t know there was a problem with lawyers using AI. AI is a fact of life in the modern world.


They can use AI, they just can't do things like have AI write a brief and then not check it lol

They could have AI write a brief, then they must go over it, check for accuracy, change wording and such.
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:33 am to
Are these judges putting the smackdown because the content goes completely against the laws or just because it came from AI?

Just wondering if these outrage is over the content or the source, i.e. it sucks arse but if it had came from the lawyers interns unvetted then the judge would have just let it go.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64224 posts
Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:36 am to
They’re citing case law that isn’t real. The source doesn’t matter.
Posted by wesfau
Member since Mar 2023
2467 posts
Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:36 am to
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Are these judges putting the smackdown because the content goes completely against the laws or just because it came from AI?


The content. The AI is manufacturing fake caselaw to argue from.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
478529 posts
Posted on 6/12/26 at 7:37 am to
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Are these judges putting the smackdown because the content goes completely against the laws or just because it came from AI?


The way the law works is you use prior decisions as authority to guide the judge.

The AI is just making shite up as cases to "support" the argument being made. It may or may not conflict with the actual law, but the fake citation has no value. The system cannot deal with having to fact check every citation like that, so the use of fake citations (via AI or otherwise) has always led to punitive responses by the courts and licensing agencies.

It is like a cop arresting someone for a factual basis the cop made up. Could that factual basis potentially apply to reality? Yes. Can we permit cops the leeway to arrest people based on their fantasies? No.
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