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Judge backs charges against officer in Tamir Rice killing

Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:08 pm
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:08 pm
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cting under a rarely used provision of Ohio state law, a judge found probable cause Thursday to charge Cleveland police Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder in the fatal shooting of 12-year-old Tamir Rice last year.

Cleveland Municipal Court Judge Ronald Adrine also found cause to support negligent homicide charges against Officer Frank Garmback, Loehmann's partner, who is accused of standing by after Loehmann shot Tamir in November at a recreation center, where Tamir was playing with a pellet gun.

Adrine agreed with local activists known as the "Cleveland 8" who took the unusual step of independently seeking charges because, they said, they'd lost confidence in the grand jury investigation.

The ruling is only advisory and doesn't affect the separate grand jury investigation.


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Posted by stlslick
St.Louis,Mo
Member since Nov 2012
15304 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:12 pm to
Did you take a gander at the race of said Judge?

And A judge has zero authority, only the Grand Jury can call for Charges.

He's wanting his time in the lime light.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:15 pm to
Seems like the video will be a case study in teaching recruits how not to conduct police business.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:15 pm to
The cops shot a fricking 12 year old child on a playground. Have you seen the video? I hate wild'n out "thugs" as much as the next guy, but you are just being ignorant if you don't think charges should be filed in this case. It's on VIDEO for crying out loud.
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:15 pm to
quote:

Did you take a gander at the race of said Judge?

And A judge has zero authority, only the Grand Jury can call for Charges.


This is well known.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
45441 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:16 pm to
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Ohio is one of a handful of states that allow residents to request an arrest without approval from the police or prosecutors. It is difficult to know how the case will play out because there is little precedent for a citizen to request an arrest in such a contentious, high-profile case.

Mr. Madison said that he knew of no instance in which an Ohio judge had ordered the arrest of a police officer based on a citizen complaint, but that most previous complaints had been frivolous.

By going directly to a judge, community leaders are trying to circumvent that process. Ohio law allows anyone with “knowledge of the facts” to file a court affidavit and ask a judge to issue an arrest warrant. If approved, the arrest would be followed by a public hearing, and community members said that was preferable to allowing prosecutors to make the decision in secret.


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Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74922 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:20 pm to
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And A judge has zero authority, only the Grand Jury can call for Charges.


Ohio law has a loophole
Posted by Negative Nomad
Hell
Member since Oct 2011
3173 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:41 pm to
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Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85593 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:47 pm to
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he cops shot a fricking 12 year old child on a playground

It's like that cop woke up that morning deciding he wanted to shoot a kid, and happened upon this kid just playing on the swing, minding his own business
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22673 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:47 pm to
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He sure did. A kid who was pointing a realistic looking gun at people. Cop did a good job. Glad it's on video. Should be shown in schools at what not to do.



Did he point it at the cop? Did the officer have any reason to believe he, or anyone, was in such immediate danger that lethal force was absolutely necessary?
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74922 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:52 pm to
I've never seen the video before, and it's hard to make out what happens in what I did see. The kid had an airsoft gun, I can't see if he did point it at the cops, but if so, I get their side.
Posted by Purple Spoon
Hoth
Member since Feb 2005
21348 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:52 pm to
Havent seen the video. Did he point it at the cop?
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22673 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 7:57 pm to
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Havent seen the video. Did he point it at the cop?



No, he didn't. There was less than 2 seconds between the time the cop exits the vehicle and he pulls the trigger. It was immediate and that is in no way an exaggeration.
Posted by Negative Nomad
Hell
Member since Oct 2011
3173 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:01 pm to
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Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:04 pm to
quote:

Did he point it at the cop?

No. The cop got out the car shooting, literally. No pause
Posted by LSUTANGERINE
Baton Rouge and Northshore LA
Member since Sep 2006
38468 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:05 pm to
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What did the officer percieve?


we all know the buzz word cops use to get off- "I believed I was in danger blah blah blah". Now have John Q. Public try that one and see how far it goes.
Posted by Genius_Mofo
Member since Jul 2014
181 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:08 pm to
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Did he point it at the cop? Did the officer have any reason to believe he, or anyone, was in such immediate danger that lethal force was absolutely necessary?
So officers should have to be staring down the barrel of a gun before they can decide a person is a threat? Is action faster than reaction? Can a person be pointing a weapon elsewhere and, before another person could begin to react, train that weapon on another human being?

I'm not arguing your point. In fact, I appreciate the zeal that you apparently have in the matter. I just don't think you can make the argument that no one was in danger. Officers didn't know it was a toy gun, they were acting on a call for service from a concerned citizen and they didn't feel the need to wait until they were in the crosshairs to react if it was indeed a real threat.
Posted by undecided
Member since May 2012
15492 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:09 pm to
Also, Ohio is an Open Carry state which is something I rarely see mentioned when this is discussed
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
22673 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:09 pm to
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Doesn't matter. What did the officer percieve? This is the biggest mistake the illerate and ill informed public make. He doesn't have to point it at the officer. If I rolled up with a suspect with a gun in his hand, especially one who was reported to be pointing at people, the dude is dead. Sorry bro but it's a good shoot, deal with it.



You are apparently totally ignorant of the details of the event, the kid wasn't holding the gun when they rolled up.

ETA: Oh my god, the irony of you calling anyone in this discussion illiterate and ill-informed is nothing short of fantastic as you spout off complete inaccurate comments. You're either intentionally attempting to deceive people or you're delusional- either way, you're a very typical cop.
This post was edited on 6/11/15 at 8:22 pm
Posted by the808bass
The Lou
Member since Oct 2012
129727 posts
Posted on 6/11/15 at 8:13 pm to
quote:

A kid who was pointing a realistic looking gun at people. Cop did a good job.


Congratulations. You're a moron.
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