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re: JPMorgan Chase CEO Dimon derides pushback to return to office, demands efficiency
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:30 pm to bott18240
Posted on 2/15/25 at 9:30 pm to bott18240
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I can’t imagine how less productive people are working from home.
I can't speak for everyone, but you know how much time gets wasted in the office? Between people stopping to talk and then someone up and schedules a completely worthless fricking meeting that almost every single time ends in "well we will see how it is going in a few weeks and circle back".
I am an adult, I don't need anyone supervising me. I am sure there are people who can't handle it and that's cool, everyone is built different, but for the people who get the work done and does it well, it shouldn't matter where it gets done.
There used to be an engineer who worked in a different department, but we worked at the same place. He had his own system. He would go into his office at 2AM. Answer all of his emails, do his work, and leave at 10AM. From 8AM - 10AM he would meet with the people who worked under him individually, if needed and he was done. He said in order for him to do his best work he had to be alone.
Personally, I would have everyone do their absolute best work than have whatever work they are able to get done between a certain time period while dealing with other distractions as well.
Yes, if someone is WFH and fricking off then they should be in the office, but if they are fricking off at home there is a good chance they are fricking off at work as well. But I understand some CEOs need to feel important and not seeing worthless meeting going on, they can pop in on or have people in office there to treat him like the big shot probably doesn't do much for the ego, but hey... he gets paid the big bucks.. So its important his ego is stroked.
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Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:09 pm to OweO
No one gives a frick what me or you think. If management wants your arse at work, you go, you negotiate to be WFH, or find another job.
Management has the power back now. All you MFers putting so much effort into these threads need to understand: Management doesn’t give a frick what you think.
Management has the power back now. All you MFers putting so much effort into these threads need to understand: Management doesn’t give a frick what you think.
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:22 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
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all work must be done on site and in working hours. shite would last about 10 mins before he learned the hard way he’s been benefitting from people being constantly plugged in and not hanging on every word of the bullshite DEI training session he’s forcing them to sit through.
This is the hard part that the workforce needs to fight back on.
100% work from the office mandate? Fine. But if you don't offer your employees flexibility, you can't expect it in return from them. They won't answer their phone, or check their emails after hours, nor should they. Why would they work from home on their own time, when they aren't allowed to on company time?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:24 pm to Harry Boutte
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handymen
How does a handyman work from home?
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:26 pm to UptownJoeBrown
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No one gives a frick what me or you think.
I do agree with this
Posted on 2/15/25 at 10:28 pm to ragincajun03
I've TWed for the last 5 years, recently voluntarily went back in the office 5 days week. I focus better in the office, and really enjoy the separation of leaving my laptop at work. I got my work done at home, but worked more hours (because I didn't have to commute).
Most young folks don't need the isolation of FT TW, it's bad for mental health. There were weeks when I barely let the neighborhood.
Most young folks don't need the isolation of FT TW, it's bad for mental health. There were weeks when I barely let the neighborhood.
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 2/15/25 at 11:30 pm to greenbean
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There were weeks when I barely let the neighborhood.
Sounds awesome.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 12:02 am to kissil
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Now I know I am probably on the minority on that but to throw a blanket “if you work at home, you are lazy and don’t work” statement over everyone is just wrong.
I don’t think you are in the minority. It sounds like you work a job that actually requires you to produce deliverables on a set deadline. I’ve worked from home for the last 10 years, and there is no doubt that I’m more productive from home when I have a heavy work load. I can focus, and my commute time typically goes back to my employer. Now, if workload is low, it’s certainly easier to hide when you work from home. But that shite makes me anxious, so I go out and find something to do. Maybe that’s why I’ve been able to pull it off for over a decade.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:23 am to Python
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Sounds awesome.
Yes, it was at the time. Looking back I did lose in person interaction with some folks.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:28 am to ragincajun03
This is easy to solve if the boss man has a spine
You tell an employee to show up to work and they don’t then start the fricking paper trail
It will sort itself out quickly
You tell an employee to show up to work and they don’t then start the fricking paper trail
It will sort itself out quickly
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:38 am to pelicansfan123
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If they just said, "Look guys, we know that your productivity doesn't change when you're at home, but we have all of this empty office space and we need to get some use out of it," I think a lot of people would be disappointed, but understand the reasoning. But when you cook up these convoluted, vague excuses that you can EASILY punch holes through, then you have employee morale in the office plummeting and discontent rising.
I work for a professional services firm. Everyone has a college degree, most have a graduate degree and certification. It drives me fricking nuts when they do this shite.
You’re the boss, you get to make the rules, and that’s fine. That’s part of the game. But it pisses me off to no end when they piss on you and tell you it’s raining.
Some accounting firms have done this with moving PTO to holiday days during a time where a lot of people can’t take off. It’s extremely obvious they’re trying to get off that liability of accrued time on the balance sheet. Just fricking say that, there’s nothing an employee can do about it, but making shite up just pisses people off.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:45 am to bott18240
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I know what I’d be doing without supervision. TV and playing golf.
Nice work following an exact procedure making 65k a year. Don't hurt yourself.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:46 am to OvertheDwayneBowe
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100% work from the office mandate? Fine. But if you don't offer your employees flexibility, you can't expect it in return from them. They won't answer their phone, or check their emails after hours, nor should they. Why would they work from home on their own time, when they aren't allowed to on company time?
That’s the thing, these guys like Dimon want to eat their cake and have it too. The culture for most salaried positions has become, you have flexibility, but you have to give availability in return. If you’re going to put my arse in a seat 5 days a week, I’m giving something up but you can guarantee he’s not going to accept the informal policy of employees leaving their computer at the office or taking their email off their phone.
I understand the office time is important, especially for new people that need training. And more experienced people need to be present to train them, but we can use common sense. The clear path forward is hiring local workers, but using a hybrid in office/home approach that allows people flexibility and ability to get in the office.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:47 am to bott18240
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I know what I’d be doing without supervision. TV and playing golf.
That is a reflection of your character. I've been WFM for 20 years and I get excellent performance rating and bonuses.
Some of us actually do get more work done from home than in an office.
Also, I live on a golf course and am pretty much wasting my membership because I rarely get out and play.
Edit to add: I get it if office space is being wasted. Our company doesn't have any. We got rid of a lot if it, hence why everyone works from home. But we are still held accountable for getting things done.
Maybe JP Morgan should get rid of some of their unused real estate.
This post was edited on 2/16/25 at 8:53 am
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:51 am to ragincajun03
The other interesting part of this is the added expenses(gas, after school care, etc) that returning to the office puts on the employee during a time where they are already being squeezed by inflation. No company that I’ve seen is handing out annual raises that are keeping up w inflation obviously. If I was forced back to the office, I would just look elsewhere for the highest paying in office position. It’s not necessarily that WFH employees will leave for another WFH position, a lot will say F it if I have to go to an office I might as well look elsewhere.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 8:53 am to deathvalleyfreak43
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NB4 pink collar email answers bitch about muh “I get more work done at home than at the office!!!1!1!”
You stole my joke bruh
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:39 am to bott18240
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I can’t imagine how less productive people are working from home.
Meanwhile, back at the office......
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:43 am to Cuz413
Just wanted to chime in and say how much I love my WFH, six figure job. My job involves me working with people from every state on pretty much a daily basis. I could do it anywhere and love it. The fact that it pisses people off makes me love it even more.
Excuse me while I enjoy my weekend. I have those off too. Every single one.
Excuse me while I enjoy my weekend. I have those off too. Every single one.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:50 am to ragincajun03
Working for someone like Dimon has to be the worst experience ever, he is an archaic thinking a$$hole, I cannot believe people here like him. You all must hate your personal lives to hate work life balance so much.
Posted on 2/16/25 at 9:50 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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Just wanted to chime in and say how much I love my WFH, six figure job. My job involves me working with people from every state on pretty much a daily basis. I could do it anywhere and love it. The fact that it pisses people off makes me love it even more.
Excuse me while I enjoy my weekend. I have those off too. Every single one.
Awesome, glad for you and others that can be free(r)
. We report back in to the office so we can be isolated at our desks and 90% of meetings outside our group are Microsoft Teams calls. So basically the same expectations of time managed deliverables and goals, just not from home.
Yay productivity!
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