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re: Johnson & Johnson vaccine paused due to clotting concerns
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:52 am to Cossatotjoe
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:52 am to Cossatotjoe
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Banned is probably too strong a word. In Germany two weeks ago there were reports of some of the same issues with it, clotting, as there are with J&J here. And they recommended a halt on it just like they are with J&J.
Probably, no more relevant than the J&J vaccine but Germany has lots of big companies who want to make their own vaccines instead of getting one from Moderna.
Again, that was the AstraZeneca vaccine that was halted in Europe, not the Moderna vaccine. The AstraZeneca vaccine is, like the J&J vaccine, a traditional adenovirus based vaccine not an mRNA vaccine.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 7:53 am
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Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:53 am to nicholastiger
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Sounds like a major class action lawsuit against drug maker and govt since the govt has been pushing it non stop
Nope, immunity.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:54 am to Cossatotjoe
What genetic code does it insert into? RNA is an inverse copy of DNA used by cells to build proteins. RNA degrades after protein synthesis, the molecules reabsorbed back into the cell, and used again to copy the inverse code of the DNA.
Introducing new RNA does NOTHING to the original DNA code, your actual genetic material.
By instructing the body to produce spike proteins through mRNA you’re allowing you’re white blood cells to recognize the identifying markers of the COVID-19 virus so when they encounter them in the future, they know to attack them before they become so prevalent it becomes an issue.
So please, explain to me again how introducing RNA of any kind into your system will result in altered DNA
Introducing new RNA does NOTHING to the original DNA code, your actual genetic material.
By instructing the body to produce spike proteins through mRNA you’re allowing you’re white blood cells to recognize the identifying markers of the COVID-19 virus so when they encounter them in the future, they know to attack them before they become so prevalent it becomes an issue.
So please, explain to me again how introducing RNA of any kind into your system will result in altered DNA
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:54 am to Cossatotjoe
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The instructions now contained within your cells to make them potentially are. Wouldn’t be much of a vaccine if the messenger RNA inserted within the cell to instruct it to manufacture the spike protein had an off switch would it?
MRNA can’t live in the cell for very long, it self destructs if you will.
Your lack of knowledge on the subject is outstanding and before you ask, I employ a team of genetic engineers at my company.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:56 am to Oilfieldbiology
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You understand how immunity works right? Your white blood cells recognize the foreign body and attack it.
If the continued capability to do this is your standard for altering the genetic material of your cells, then every vaccine ever has altered your genetic material.
It’s fundamentally different. One is particular immune response generated naturally with some amount of variation even within immune individuals. The other is an artificially created spiked protein that in and of itself has nothing to do with an immune response that will be more or less identical throughout the vaccinated population.
Now, tell me what the Holy Grail of biological warfare has always been and why, it really has never been used before, as far as we know by any major power.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:56 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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The AstraZeneca vaccine is, like the J&J vaccine, a traditional adenovirus based vaccine not an mRNA vaccine.
Hope all the plebs who cawed about needing a "traditional vaccine" enjoy. I'll be on my yacht with OT 8s smoking doobies and living blood clot free
ETA: realized this sounded anti-vax. I got moderna, the true OT baller choice.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 8:04 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:58 am to Crowknowsbest
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That was Astra Zeneca, not Moderna
Okay, the fact remains that governments seem to have agendas beyond mere efficacy or side effects. I would suspect in Germany it is a financial and “not made here” syndrome with a helping hand from their robust medical industry.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:58 am to Michael T. Tiger
There goes any headway made in convincing people on the fence to get them. The entire government reaction and response on covid has been a constant shite show.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:59 am to Cossatotjoe
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The other is an artificially created spiked protein that in and of itself has nothing to do with an immune response that will be more or less identical throughout the vaccinated population.
Artificially created? Lol you know human cells create the covid virus, including the spike protein. It is the exact same protein.
That’s like saying you trained an army to shoot at a certain type of uniform and then saying that the solider won’t attack because it’s a different guy in the uniform.
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 8:00 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:59 am to Cossatotjoe
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Okay, the fact remains that governments seem to have agendas beyond mere efficacy or side effects. I would suspect in Germany it is a financial and “not made here” syndrome with a helping hand from their robust medical industry.
The AstraZeneca vaccine doesn’t fit the narrative you’re pushing in this thread because it’s not an mRNA vaccine.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 7:59 am to Ingeniero
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Hope all the plebs who cawed about needing a "traditional vaccine" enjoy. I'll be on my yacht with OT 8s smoking doobies and living blood clot free
I think I'm good with 0.000018% odds
This post was edited on 4/13/21 at 8:00 am
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:01 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Don't waste your time with that nutsack. He's been told that several times.
Thinks he understands how mRNA vaccines work but can't figure out how to read a reply to his posts.
Thinks he understands how mRNA vaccines work but can't figure out how to read a reply to his posts.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:01 am to Oilfieldbiology
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What genetic code does it insert into? RNA is an inverse copy of DNA used by cells to build proteins. RNA degrades after protein synthesis, the molecules reabsorbed back into the cell, and used again to copy the inverse code of the DNA.
Introducing new RNA does NOTHING to the original DNA code, your actual genetic material.
By instructing the body to produce spike proteins through mRNA you’re allowing you’re white blood cells to recognize the identifying markers of the COVID-19 virus so when they encounter them in the future, they know to attack them before they become so prevalent it becomes an issue.
So please, explain to me again how introducing RNA of any kind into your system will result in altered DNA
Do the instructions wear off? Does the spike protein go away?
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:02 am to Roll Tide Ravens
Also if you want to know why mRNA vaccines haven’t been a thing before this, it’s because vaccines don’t make drug companies a lot of money compared to rare diseases. So this could have happened years ago but there was no money to do it.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:02 am to Roll Tide Ravens
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The AstraZeneca vaccine doesn’t fit the narrative you’re pushing in this thread because it’s not an mRNA vaccine.
Sure it does. It fits the idea that governments seem to have preferences for certain vaccines that have little to do with safety or efficacy. The motivations in Germany are not necessarily the same as they are here.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:04 am to Cossatotjoe
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Do the instructions wear off? Does the spike protein go away
Yes, by there very nature, mRNA can’t survive in the cell very long. It’s why you don’t have a bunch of rna a virus injected into you lying around your cells
Yea the spike protein goes away because your immune system attacks it assuming you aren’t immunocompromised
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:05 am to barry
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Artificially created? Lol you know human cells create the covid virus, including the spike protein. It is the exact same protein.
That’s like saying you trained an army to shoot at a certain type of uniform and then saying that the solider won’t attack because it’s a different guy in the uniform.
It’s not the exact same protein. It’s a similar protein with some amount of variation between individuals.
Now, tell me what the Holy Grail of biological warfare is and why it has never been used before, as far as we know by a major power.
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:05 am to Cossatotjoe
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Cossatotjoe
How many chain emails do you forward each day?
Posted on 4/13/21 at 8:09 am to Cossatotjoe
Sorry chief, you can’t genetically alter someone’s dna with mRNA
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