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re: John White GONE

Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:51 pm to
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:51 pm to
Considering we are now having nation wide studies done showing how Common Core is not working nor is it preparing students. Many of y'all can blame teachers not "teaching" correctly but that is just lazy. Common Core has plenty of issues and it isn't from teachers.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 6:51 pm to
Yeah that's not the case and that is just ignorant in reality
Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 7:03 pm to
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Is his harem at DOE leaving too?


To what degree are we using figurative or literal language here?
Posted by auyushu
Surprise, AZ
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:13 pm to
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Standardized tests are supposed to protect against grade inflation and social promotions. It was never meant to be political. I


Unfortunately thanks to No Child Left Behind and linking school funding to student scores on state exams and overall passing rates the exact opposite situation has been created. Grade inflation and passing students when they don't deserve it is rampant across the country.

Until that changes it doesn't matter what standards are implemented, common core or not. You can't have true rigor when administrators are under immense pressure to pass students.

As a high school science teacher here in AZ I can say it's immensely harder to be a good teacher, hold students accountable, and actually fail students rather than just be lazy and pass everyone.

Currently my high school is on watch because our Special Ed and Native American population (about 30 kids in a school of 2000) weren't showing enough enough growth year to year in test scores and passing rates. If enough growth in passing rates and test scores isn't shown in these groups in two years, the admin get canned and the government takes over.

As a junior/senior teacher (Anat/Phys and Zoology/Botany) I have pretty much nothing to do with any state tests or these groups but am expected to implement all sorts of random strategies that take away from my students actually instructional time learning my subjects.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 8:15 pm
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 8:35 pm to
Well said auyushu. The desire to have the students labeled as SPED "show growth" is going to be problematic for most districts. What if a student reached their academic potential in 8th grade?

As for John White, it will be interesting to see where he lands. I wonder if the testing corporations will hire him as a "consultant" at a VERY nice rate? As a life-long Republican and fiscal conservative, I can honestly say I am happy that John White is gone.

His vision for the education system in Louisiana seemed tantamount to having students only studying a driver ed manual, but never actually practicing behind the wheel. Teaching to the test, while raising test scores (congratulations Mr. White), doesn't really accomplish much imho.
This post was edited on 1/8/20 at 8:45 pm
Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:04 pm to
If there was a Republican governor in charge I might celebrate or even have hope. There is no way in hell we get something better.
Posted by boudinman
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 1/8/20 at 9:21 pm to
so glad this Jindal appointee is hitting the road. The BESE board is comprised of 8 elected members and 3 at large members. The 3 at large members are appointed by the governor. It would seem that a majority of the members favor a change, and Mr. White realizes it will be hard to receive a new contract, so he's leaving.
Posted by monroetiger1
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:20 am to
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Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:47 am to
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Considering we are now having nation wide studies done showing how Common Core is not working nor is it preparing students. Many of y'all can blame teachers not "teaching" correctly but that is just lazy. Common Core has plenty of issues and it isn't from teachers.


Again, common core is just a set of standards. It's not something to work or not work. That's like saying "offsides" in the NFL isn't working.

What's failing is that school systems have spent all this money on curiculum systems like Eureka math, and aren't spending enough time training the teachers on how to use it, and no one is telling the parents about it.

Also, teachers are so busy doing unimportant things that they don't have time to teach all the material to the kids. If you test a kid on material he never covered in class, how do you think they will do.

Finally, considering the building block nature of standards, I don't see how you can effectively do a study with kids that were't subject to the standards for their entire academic career.

I'd love to hear your arguments against what I said.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 9:49 am to
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Unfortunately thanks to No Child Left Behind and linking school funding to student scores on state exams and overall passing rates the exact opposite situation has been created. Grade inflation and passing students when they don't deserve it is rampant across the country.



If you want to blame something, NCLB deserves a lot more blame than a set of standards.

quote:

Currently my high school is on watch because our Special Ed and Native American population (about 30 kids in a school of 2000) weren't showing enough enough growth year to year in test scores and passing rates. If enough growth in passing rates and test scores isn't shown in these groups in two years, the admin get canned and the government takes over.


I think part of the problem is that the definition of special ed has expanded so much over the years. I understand the desire to mainline these kids, but not all of them are capable of that.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 1/9/20 at 10:48 am to
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Seems like they have a ton of power in EBR and Jefferson
and EBR Publics and JPPSS are the worst in the state at football. Coincidence?
Posted by LSUlove
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2003
620 posts
Posted on 1/9/20 at 2:15 pm to
LSUFanHouston you are 100% correct! People who reference the standards as being bad I can assure you have not read the standards.

Read the Standards

The standards basically state, for example, that by 1st grade, a student should be able to ask and answer a question about a key detail in a text. They do not dictate how that must be taught, nor do they specify a specific curriculum the school or district must use to teach this standard. That is all selected either by the state, district/parish, or school. So if you have a problem with how the math standards are being taught, i.e. Eureka Math, then you need to approach your school administration, parish administration or state administration.

I can tell you right now that many teachers (I am speaking specifically for Jefferson Parish because that is what I am familiar with) are nothing more than presenters of material. This is lower school specifically (K-5). They present the curriculum and then test and move on. There is no true instruction or teaching. It pains me to say it but many teachers are lazy. If you ask for them to help remediate your child because they did poorly on a test, their initial response is "I'm hoping to drop the lowest test grade, so they should be fine." No worries that they obviously did not retain/truly understand anything that was taught to them, we will just move on.

As a parent it is very frustrating. I'd love to say that parochial is better, but they really aren't. They prefer to allow them to take the test again and again until they get a grade good enough to send home. Teaching as a whole has really taken a turn for the worse, specifically in the New Orleans area. Believe me, I understand a lot comes from home, but our school has a very high parental involvement rate, so that excuse truly doesn't apply and the lack of actual instruction is obvious and upsetting.
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