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re: JBE suggests broad COVID vaccine mandates after FDA approval
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:18 am to lsupride87
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:18 am to lsupride87
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funny This board and the PT cheered when Desantis mandates that no private company in Florida can require the covid vaccine Quite ironic I guess they like that govt intrusion
Government intrusion to ensure more individual freedom? Yes most people should support that.
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Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:18 am to lsupride87
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When JBE tells Private companies what they can and can’t do, it doesn’t seem like he gets much of a “it’s wrong, but let’s not call him a tyrant” pass
So because other people do it in that situation it's cool for you to do it too? Or are you wrong in this circumstance along with the others?
When you try to win an argument by pointing out someones hypocrisies and then make the same mistake repeatedly throughout this thread, why should I be taking anything you have to say serious?
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:19 am to Klark Kent
Klark you want to know how I feel? I think all vaccine mandates are a slippery slope and in my core I think they should all be illegal
However, I am honest enough to also admit deep down I’m glad they are there because we would likely be a lot sicker and unhealthy society if they were never put in place
We can all say “there should be ZERO vaccine mandates”. And while I agree from a govt perspective this sounds right, I’ll be honest I would hate to know my kids are in school with all kinds of kids not vaccinated against some serious shite that could actually kill them
And this covid 19 vaccine(and the virus for the opposite side of the room)to me just highlights the hypocritical nature of us all that we refuse to acknowledge
However, I am honest enough to also admit deep down I’m glad they are there because we would likely be a lot sicker and unhealthy society if they were never put in place
We can all say “there should be ZERO vaccine mandates”. And while I agree from a govt perspective this sounds right, I’ll be honest I would hate to know my kids are in school with all kinds of kids not vaccinated against some serious shite that could actually kill them
And this covid 19 vaccine(and the virus for the opposite side of the room)to me just highlights the hypocritical nature of us all that we refuse to acknowledge
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:19 am to RidiculousHype
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The principle of who gets to decide what ultimately gets injected in one's body is the real issue.
But you're okay with your children getting the recommend vaccines needed as they grow up? All of a sudden a vaccination comes out for a deadly virus that has been going around the world for the last 18 months, and that's where you draw the line? Because that's completely logical...
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:19 am to Oilfieldbiology
quote:So you think the supreme court got it wrong and the baker should be forced to bake the gay people a cake
Government intrusion to ensure more individual freedom? Yes most people should support that.
Got it
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:20 am to Jimmy2shoes
The Democratic party is looking more and more like the Nazis of our time.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:21 am to Fun Bunch
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He is has stripped private companies of their rights, thus taking away the individual freedom of private companies.
FYI, there is no such thing as private businesses in any true sense. As a business owner in various ventures for 20 years, I will tell you that no matter what industry the Government controls you in some way.
Not saying I agree with Desantis, but if you are pissed at his mandate, then you should be pissed about all mandates that get passed every year.
One day you will not be able to even act as your own contractor on your own house in LA. They tried it like 8 years ago and it failed but the fact they even tried it is BS. That is because we have a contractor board ran by large contractors regulating and influencing policy. Many of their policies passed under the guise or protecting homeowners have actually destroyed small mom-and-pop operations. Many that had existed for you.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:25 am to lsupride87
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So you think the supreme court got it wrong and the baker should be forced to bake the gay people a cake
He was and still gets harassed and turned into the state to this day for refusing people.
Supreme Court won't overturn ruling against business that refused service for gay weddings
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The Supreme Court on Friday declined to wade into the contentious issue of whether businesses have a right to refuse service for same-sex wedding ceremonies despite state laws forbidding them from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation.
The court dodged the wedding question three years ago in a case involving a Colorado baker who said baking a cake to celebrate a same-sex marriage would violate his right of free expression and religious beliefs. The issue came back in an appeal brought by Barronelle Stutzman, owner of Arlene's Flowers and Gifts in Richland, Washington.
The court said Friday that it would not take up her appeal, leaving the state court rulings against her intact and again ducking the hot-button issue. Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch said the court should have taken the case.
This post was edited on 8/6/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:27 am to lsupride87
quote:i dont think you know the difference between the government forcing an entity into doing something vs forcing an entity into NOT doing something.
So you think the supreme court got it wrong and the baker should be forced to bake the gay people a cake
Got it
big picture, that is a big difference.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:28 am to stout
quote:And I guess the poster that supports Desantis supports that too
He was and still gets harassed and turned into the state to this day for refusing people.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:29 am to Bonkers119
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All of a sudden a vaccination comes out for a deadly virus that has been going around the world for the last 18 months, and that's where you draw the line? Because that's completely logical...
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What's illogical is being under 50 and living terrified of this disease to the point you can't function.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:29 am to lsupride87
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Klark you want to know how I feel? I think all vaccine mandates are a slippery slope and in my core I think they should all be illegal
However, I am honest enough to also admit deep down I’m glad they are there because we would likely be a lot sicker and unhealthy society if they were never put in place
Yes and no. There should be more strict requirements to make a vaccine mandatory in regards to lethality. The more we interfere with nature, the more we will screw it up in the end. We don't need a vaccine for every little cough or sneeze. We have an immune system for a reason. Let the bodies fight the ones it can.
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We can all say “there should be ZERO vaccine mandates”. And while I agree from a govt perspective this sounds right, I’ll be honest I would hate to know my kids are in school with all kinds of kids not vaccinated against some serious shite that could actually kill them
And this covid 19 vaccine(and the virus for the opposite side of the room)to me just highlights the hypocritical nature of us all that we refuse to acknowledge
It would be hard to undo the vaccine mandates that have already been implemented, but we can stop future unnecessary ones. I fully believe COVID fits the category.
This post was edited on 8/6/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:29 am to CarRamrod
quote:Desantis is telling bakers they are forced to serve unvaxxed people
i dont think you know the difference between the government forcing an entity into doing something vs forcing an entity into NOT doing something.
What’s the difference between when they tried to force the baker to make a cake for gays?
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:29 am to stout
quote:its crazy that this seems to be very consistent.
Justices Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito and Neil Gorsuch said the court should have taken the case.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:29 am to lsu777
Yep. I’d feel differently if this was an industry that was honest, but big pharma was literally popped for peddling opioids on the general population in spite of how harmful and addictive they knew the drugs were. That wasn’t a decade ago; it was a couple years ago.
Now, we’re supposed to forget about all that despite liability protection and being given every monetary incentive to cut corners (i.e. first to market gets massive govt contracts)? Yeah, that’s gonna be a no from me dawg. And I’ve had covid twice.
Now, we’re supposed to forget about all that despite liability protection and being given every monetary incentive to cut corners (i.e. first to market gets massive govt contracts)? Yeah, that’s gonna be a no from me dawg. And I’ve had covid twice.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:30 am to Bonkers119
quote:what deadly virus came out?
All of a sudden a vaccination comes out for a deadly virus
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:30 am to BallsEleven
quote:But see, this is you admitting you have a threshold in which you are for govt mandates. If covid-19 had a 25% mortality rate in children would people now support forced vaccines? That’s my entire point, most people have a point they are completely fine with what the govt can intrude on
It would be hard to undo that vaccine mandates that have already been implemented, but we can stop future unnecessary ones. I fully believe COVID fits the category.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:31 am to lsu777
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dont know dont care, its their choice as a private company.
if they're complying to avoid harassment either explicit or implied, that's not a private free market "Adam Smith" decision.
The Biden admin said they'd push this through employers from the beginning... Wonder why they thought that would be successful?
Businesses often get ahead of compliance issues to save big money. They know they'll get favorable treatment if they do so.
When the mob that runs your protection racket says they might be upping the fee, and you cant let certain people in... you start saving up a little more and putting up signs BEFORE the guys with the bats show up.
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:32 am to lsupride87
quote:link?
Desantis is telling bakers they are forced to serve unvaxxed people
Posted on 8/6/21 at 9:32 am to Bonkers119
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But you're okay with your children getting the recommend vaccines needed as they grow up?
Let me clue you in on what is probably a new and complete foreign concept to you:
Individual choice.
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