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Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:22 pm to Epic Cajun
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You're coming off as really defensive
I'm not defensive. It does irk me that the state of Louisiana continues to be the definition of mediocrity when it comes to education. If you want to cut education funding look no further than the ample amount of useless schools contributing absolutely nothing to the correct way to further educate its residents. But no, let's blame TOPs for the financial woes when Tops actually helps those get an educate who normally wouldn't have a chance.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:22 pm to ULSU
Im currently a sophomore and have a 3.11 and made a 23 on the ACT. The email sent by F. King Alexander said if you made below a 26 you're in jeopardy of losing it. Hoping my gpa may give me the ability to keep it. If not, I'm going to have to take out loans for next fall and spring.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:22 pm to Srbtiger06
Jindal didn't create this mess? When did you move to louisiana? For 8'yesrs as governor his strategy was to kick the can down the road or move money around the deck of the titanic from one area to another until he would be elected president. Last part didn't come true. But hey, let's debate this by only using D or R labels.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:22 pm to Jcorye1
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At the end of the day, it's an entitlement program for the middle class, a middle class that bitches about entitlement programs for the poor (EBT Cards, WIC, ect) and the rich/Corps (Film Credits, other credits).
Originally it wasn't. It was designed for those that didn't have the means to make it.
Then good times came and they expanded it to everyone with a pulse.
Then higher ed used it to budget. They expanded enrollment with no added benefit. They gave zero fricks other than "alright, we at least get that first year money, if they make it past that, cool!" Tuition shot up because "hey the state covers it and it's still cheaper than going out of state!"
They had their cake, time to eat it.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:23 pm to FlyingTiger06
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I'm far from being a Bernie supporter. Again, my point is that the 26 threshold is too high if the intent is to make sure we aren't "wasting" our money on people who will not be able to graduate. If you intend the 26 number to just be more of a limiting factor on how many scholarships are handed out, then that's one thing. My initial reactions were to another post where someone said that if you can't make a 26 you probably wouldn't graduate anyway and are wasting taxpayer money.
a 26 will likely generate about the type of student that it takes to get this kind of scholarship in almost all other states. It should be very exclusive, so the state's risk on investment in minimal. You should have seen how competitive academic scholarships were in Massachusetts (you better have had a 3.8 or higher GPA with over 1300 SATs).
THe numbers posted for the Georgia and Florida scholarships are more like what you should see.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:25 pm to FlyingTiger06
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My initial reactions were to another post where someone said that if you can't make a 26 you probably wouldn't graduate anyway and are wasting taxpayer money.
I think people who made those comments were probably trolling. You can obviously graduate with an ACT score lower than 26, but the state shouldn't just hand out a free ride to any person who could possibly graduate college.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:26 pm to NorthShoreTiger44
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m currently a sophomore and have a 3.11 and made a 23 on the ACT. The email sent by F. King Alexander said if you made below a 26 you're in jeopardy of losing it. Hoping my gpa may give me the ability to keep it. If not, I'm going to have to take out loans for next fall and spring.
We will see, but I HIGHLY doubt you will be cut at a 3.11 GPA. Like I said before, out of the 51,000 scholarships the state is paying for, I say get rid of every fricking on where the student isn't at a 2.8 or above. Paying for C students is asinine.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:26 pm to ULSU
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a 26 will likely generate about the type of student that it takes to get this kind of scholarship in almost all other states.
Well Louisiana isn't like all other states, it needs to adjust accordingly.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:28 pm to THRILLHO
26 is a decent ACT score. For reference, I think that's about average for the incoming LSU student (and for a lot of large state schools).
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:29 pm to Epic Cajun
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You can obviously graduate with an ACT score lower than 26, but the state shouldn't just hand out a free ride to any person who could possibly graduate college.
This is the point a lot of people are refusing to see.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:30 pm to ULSU
Logic bombs being dropped in this thread.
Something needed to be done.
I'm a Republican, but I'm objective.
Jindal didn't start this shite economy, but he did nothing to help it.
In fact, he contributed to it getting worse. I had high hopes he would do good things. He was a shitty governor in terms of fiscal responsibility. I can admit that whether you have a D or R by your name. Doesn't make a shite to me, but just fix it.
Something needed to be done.
I'm a Republican, but I'm objective.
Jindal didn't start this shite economy, but he did nothing to help it.
In fact, he contributed to it getting worse. I had high hopes he would do good things. He was a shitty governor in terms of fiscal responsibility. I can admit that whether you have a D or R by your name. Doesn't make a shite to me, but just fix it.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:30 pm to 13SaintTiger
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Well Louisiana isn't like all other states, it needs to adjust accordingly.
Ahhh yes, the old trick of just lowering standards. frick that noise.
The state could put a much better emphasis on education by having HS kids not thinking it will be a piece of cake to just go to LSU for free. Every Tom, Dick, and Harry at Catholic High can get a TOPS scholarship if they want. Then they get to stay on that free ride with as low as a 2.5 GPA in college. Getting a 2.5 is making almost no effort, and is certainly not someone the state should pay for.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:31 pm to ULSU
Im hoping so. I mean if not, nothing I can do about it. My parents can't help to much being my dad closed his business a few years back and now they are scrapping by. So it is what it is, but it makes life a lot easier having TOPS to cover the rest of my finacial troubles
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:31 pm to Jcorye1
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it's an entitlement program for the middle class, a middle class
Do you know what entitlement means?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:34 pm to Srbtiger06
I don't understand why the government should be in the business of paying for college education. Parents should pay for their kids education (like mine made sure they did). If they didn't do that then take out a loan or get a job or sell a kidney. People go to Disney every year and expect free education. The middle is the burden of America. They are the pension burden, the healthcare burden and the education burden.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:34 pm to ULSU
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Ahhh yes, the old trick of just lowering standards. frick that noise.
What are you talking about lowering standards? There needs to be a standard first in able for it to go lower or higher. The standard needs to be set according to the state, not according to another state with completely different data.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:34 pm to Upperdecker
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Do you know what entitlement means?
The current TOPS standards (20 on the ACT and a 2.5 GPA) make it available to anyone with a pulse. In its present form, it is absolutely an entitlement.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:35 pm to FlyingTiger06
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There's tons of other government waste and useless social programs that should have funding pulled
75% of this is protected by State Constitution, which is absurd.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 9:36 pm to NorthShoreTiger44
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but it makes life a lot easier having TOPS to cover the rest of my finacial troubles
I really hope you don't lose any scholarship you have while making a 3.11 GPA, but how do you think most Americans go to college?
They get student loans, and then bitch about paying them back. It is not anybody's responsibility to relieve your financial burden.
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