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Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:15 pm to LSUTil_iDie
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Facts. There's no one single way to objectively measure a student's future success. It's damn sure not standardized testing. SAT, ACT, IQ tests, it's all bullshite. There are way too many factors involved in a student's personal life and academic career. Honor students in high school have flunked out of college and the ones who barely made it out of high school have excelled. Often times, the perceived "best and brightest" aren't always so and that's been proven many times. People don't understand this though.
We know this already sir
Rewarded for high standards and poor people. Everyone else can start saving when they have children, why the fricking don't people do this? I'll never under stand everyone begging for money.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:23 pm to mailman
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Everyone else can start saving when they have children, why the fricking don't people do this?
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not, but...
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poor
How do you save something that you don't have?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:27 pm to LSUTil_iDie
When he said everyone else, that meant not the poor people. Pay attention to details. That is why you got a 19 on the ACT.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:33 pm to upgrayedd
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If the results, not the standards, are non beneficial to a protected class (women and minorities), the blind standards can be deemed discriminatory and illegal
yes. basically if a specific bias can't be proven, then there is an "implicit bias" that is determined to cause the different results.
There was some case regarding firefighters in New York that had to do with this. The only people passing the test were white males, and the test was determined to have an implicit bias against other groups.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:33 pm to tigerskin
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That is why you got a 19 on the ACT.
Sick burn, brah.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:37 pm to biglego
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I can see a bump to 23-25, but 26 is extreme. There are plenty smart people who simply don't test well. But this is Louisiana so nothing ever has to make sense. Colorado made $100M+ in taxes on pot last year but Louisiana wants no part of that easy money. Don't want to amend the constitution. Don't want to close any colleges.
And they're miraculously going to start testing well once they get to college? There has to be some sort of standard to judge them by. GPA is inflated and can't be treated the same across all schools. I think 26 is fine, if that's the number that will allow all qualifying students to get the full award.
What I'm not ok with is retroactively taking it from people who didn't make the score. They did what they needed at the time, they should be grandfathered in.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:40 pm to biglego
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But 26 seems arbitrarily high though.
Arbitrarily high for what? An full academic scholarship ?
Not to me it doesnt.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:42 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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The act prep industry is about to explode. Kids like me will have to actually try to get tops now.
Thank you! I posted exactly this earlier. This will likely raise the impetus of high school performance in the state, as too many today just coast to a TOPS scholarship when they know they are headed to LSU with all their buddies anyway.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:44 pm to LSUTil_iDie
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poor
How do you save something that you don't have?
You get a student loan and pay it back. Millions upon millions of middle class do this. Poor people actually have far greater access to grants and scholarships as it stands.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:46 pm to LSUTil_iDie
Just messing. Bedtime. I'm out.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 11:52 pm to Ingeniero
If nothing else, this thread shows just how hard it is to take away entitlements once they are out there. Everyone starts crying, "for shame".
And yes, the state paying for someone to graduate LSU with a 2.7 in General Studies is an entitlement.
And yes, the state paying for someone to graduate LSU with a 2.7 in General Studies is an entitlement.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:05 am to foj1981
Fine, TOPS needs to be cut down a few pegs. But that alone isn't going to solve the budget crisis.
There are much deeper issues which can not be solved but higher ed cuts alone though. Legislation doesn't allow it? Then change the laws because we have cut from everything we are allowed to cut from without ruining this state for decades.
Highest car insurance rates in the country, high crime, high poverty, poor public schools, high unemployment, flooding and hurricane issues, decrease in oil prices...But let's continue cutting the funding for one of the only positive aspects of the future of this state. Simply because we made the law to where we can't reduce from other areas.
There are much deeper issues which can not be solved but higher ed cuts alone though. Legislation doesn't allow it? Then change the laws because we have cut from everything we are allowed to cut from without ruining this state for decades.
Highest car insurance rates in the country, high crime, high poverty, poor public schools, high unemployment, flooding and hurricane issues, decrease in oil prices...But let's continue cutting the funding for one of the only positive aspects of the future of this state. Simply because we made the law to where we can't reduce from other areas.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:12 am to More beer please
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But let's continue cutting the funding for one of the only positive aspects of the future of this state. Simply because we made the law to where we can't reduce from other areas.
There's a whole lot of fricking stupid in this thread, but this is not part of it. TOPS was far too lenient and needed to be trimmed back regardless, but the more important issue is that the reason we can no longer afford to throw money at marginal students in the hope that a small percentage of them succeed is because the state cannot cut other protected areas.
Good luck getting a constitutional convention together to change that when all the people who benefit from protected expenditures have enough money to torpedo any convention that might kill their golden goose.
We. Are. fricked.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:17 am to ULSU
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Arbitrarily high for what? An full academic scholarship ?
But TOPS is not meant to simply be another merit based scholarship. Already have those. TOPS is meant to keep Louisiana students in Louisiana. To give promising kids a reason to stay in this shithole state and maybe make the state better. And LSU has done fine under TOPS and TOPS is not the reason he budget is fricked. I don't know where the 26 came from. If you want to simply make it just another merit scholarship then frick it, make the ACT 32 and be done with it. But TOPS is the one thing Louisiana has done right, one program that actually helps all kids, and I hate to see our worthless politicians gut it Bc they're too disgusting to competently manage the budget.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:21 am to More beer please
This thread proves exactly JBE's tactic. He doesn't want to cut TOPS or any other entitlement program. He is trying to play people to get support for his ultimate goal which is to balance budget with higher taxes. Threaten to cut popular programs /services and people become more receptive to raising taxes. He's a democrat people. Think he is going to cut funding / enrollment to colleges? Cut out the poor from free college? It's all a plan to get support for taxes. This is just a follow up to that stupid arse, absurd speech he gave where he threatened college football.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:21 am to Ingeniero
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And they're miraculously going to start testing well once they get to college?
Wouldn't be anything miraculous about it. There's no college course that is anything like the ACT.
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I think 26 is fine,
26 will certainly lower the cost, if that's the only goal. I think 24-25 would be fine too as a balance between cost management and accomplishing the goal of TOPS.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:27 am to FlyingTiger06
I don't think Loranger high has that many people making 26's to be honest neither did my high school, St. Thomas Aquinas right down the road in hammond. I think 70% of my graduating class had tops but I'd guess only 15-20% were 26+
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:28 am to foj1981
My wife and I make the ACT cut, although we both already graduated.....
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:32 am to foj1981
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JBE drops the hammer
Going to cut TOPS by 62%. Minimum ACT 26
Good job on the TOPS by JBE, but he didn't touch the real problems like having too many universities, the POS charity system, and the God awful dumpster fire of the pensions, but the tops cut was impressive even if it doesn't pass.
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