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re: Jalopnik: No One In The U.S. Really Wants To Buy Electric Vehicles
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:37 am to dewster
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:37 am to dewster
hits home to me today.
my work car hit a deer so i'm doing rentals until that's taken care of when i had to go out of town.
my local hertz had a model 3 available so i said, what the heck. let's try one out on an overnight trip to corporate headquarters in San Antonio.
steep learning curve on the braking and cruise control. but after 180 miles, i'm at my corporate office and have 24% battery power. for the first time, i'm sitting here thinking, i need to plan to charge this before i leave tomorrow. where do i do that? how long is this going to take?
i knew that was what i signed up for with this, but instead of just saying "i know i'll stop here for gas," i am having to search for a charging station. then i know i have to charge the effer before i return it to the rental place.
i could see getting one for my wife running around town, but that's about it.
my work car hit a deer so i'm doing rentals until that's taken care of when i had to go out of town.
my local hertz had a model 3 available so i said, what the heck. let's try one out on an overnight trip to corporate headquarters in San Antonio.
steep learning curve on the braking and cruise control. but after 180 miles, i'm at my corporate office and have 24% battery power. for the first time, i'm sitting here thinking, i need to plan to charge this before i leave tomorrow. where do i do that? how long is this going to take?
i knew that was what i signed up for with this, but instead of just saying "i know i'll stop here for gas," i am having to search for a charging station. then i know i have to charge the effer before i return it to the rental place.
i could see getting one for my wife running around town, but that's about it.
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:39 am to LemmyLives
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5,390 pound Tesla Model X versus a 3,340 pound Camry.
flailing. Comparing an SUV to a mid sized sedan. Utility scale generation is orders of magnitude more efficient than ICE engines. Anyone arguing against that is fricking retarded.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:42 am to 3nOut
EVs suck as rental cars.
But to help your situation, a lot of hotels have charging if you’re spending the night. Also the nav should find a supercharger for you and route plan. And I don’t think they require a recharge to return for EVs.
But to help your situation, a lot of hotels have charging if you’re spending the night. Also the nav should find a supercharger for you and route plan. And I don’t think they require a recharge to return for EVs.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:42 am to billjamin
quote:While the material may last longer there are records of premature failure in the systems due to lack of use and the weight of these cars. The pads may last a lifetime, but the hydraulic system seizing and adhesives coming apart have been an issue occurring due to the regen braking limiting brake usage. Because of this brake servicing including fluid changes, lubrication, and adhesion checks are recommended at higher intervals for an EV vs an ICE.
I can’t remember the last time I touched the brake pedal on my wife’s model 3.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:50 am to dr
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GEM cars are a good solution to a local runabout It qualifies as a NEV and new, they start at $15K Used are significantly cheaper, and with a motor upgrade, it will do 60 MPH
So a street legal side by side without the cool features of a side by side
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:53 am to AwesomeSauce
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While the material may last longer there are records of premature failure in the systems due to lack of use and the weight of these cars. The pads may last a lifetime, but the hydraulic system seizing and adhesives coming apart have been an issue occurring due to the regen braking limiting brake usage. Because of this brake servicing including fluid changes, lubrication, and adhesion checks are recommended at higher intervals for an EV vs an ICE.
Yeah, not maintenance free. But significantly less maintenance and therefore cheaper to operate.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:57 am to dewster
Well no shite. People will take durability, reliability, engines they can get parts for and work on themselves. There really is little to no benefit in eletric vehicles over gas powered. Car manufacturers nuts are in a vice right now and the government is clamping harder. Normal people don't want or need electric.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:59 am to AwesomeSauce
There is a ton of ignorance on this thread that is laughable. We’ve owned a Chevy Bolt for 6 years, so we know the good and the bad.
1. No signs of battery degradation with driving 20-25k per year
2. Electric bill has gone up about 30-50 dollars per month since we got the car
3. 99.9% of charging occurs at home, on our level 2, 240V charger. It will charge the battery from empty to full overnight
4. Range is 200-260 miles depending on season
5. When making the decision, we downloaded 24 months of OnStar data from the car the Bolt replaced. There were only 3 trips in 24 months where range would have been an issue. Only 3 days in 730 where we drove more than 200 miles in a day
6. Routine maintenance has been minimal, tire wear is normal, just a pain sometimes to find low rolling resistance tires
7. Cost about $500 to put in a 240V outlet and Level 2 charger in the garage
8. We still have an ICE car, but, for us, to EV’s wouldn’t be a problem
EV’s aren’t a solution for everybody yet, but each generation is getting better and better.
1. No signs of battery degradation with driving 20-25k per year
2. Electric bill has gone up about 30-50 dollars per month since we got the car
3. 99.9% of charging occurs at home, on our level 2, 240V charger. It will charge the battery from empty to full overnight
4. Range is 200-260 miles depending on season
5. When making the decision, we downloaded 24 months of OnStar data from the car the Bolt replaced. There were only 3 trips in 24 months where range would have been an issue. Only 3 days in 730 where we drove more than 200 miles in a day
6. Routine maintenance has been minimal, tire wear is normal, just a pain sometimes to find low rolling resistance tires
7. Cost about $500 to put in a 240V outlet and Level 2 charger in the garage
8. We still have an ICE car, but, for us, to EV’s wouldn’t be a problem
EV’s aren’t a solution for everybody yet, but each generation is getting better and better.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 11:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Exactly, watched too many friends struggle through winters t pay what they ask for that crap
Now imagine living on the coast, a major hurricane rapidly intensifies in the gulf, you need to evacuate. You’re stuck in traffic for hours, your battery is almost dead and the line to charge is half a mile long with each car taking 30 minutes
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:02 pm to billjamin
quote:
EVs suck as rental cars.
But to help your situation, a lot of hotels have charging if you’re spending the night. Also the nav should find a supercharger for you and route plan. And I don’t think they require a recharge to return for EVs.
i'm learning that.
in my defense, i did get in the car, connect my phone and started driving.
i'm not sure how to use the navigation. when i ride with my boss in his, his phone is all connected with the app and it shows the charging stations on our path, but mine doesn't currently. none of my streaming apps worked very seamlessly. it didn't import my office location when i tried to use navigation. i knew how to get there but figured it pull it up. i'll have to go over to my boss' house later to do some stuff for his home office so i may charge there and ask a few questions.
not opposed to the overall experience, but definitely not a travel car.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:03 pm to billjamin
quote:Less pad, caliper, and rotor wear due to less use, yes. Less maintenance, eh...more to equal servicing, but less changes as long as the servicing is done. As long as the components are kept lubricated and hydraulic system cycled EV brake pads will have a longer life. My original response was to someone saying you don't have any of the tune-ups ICE vehicles require. Which is false. The fact is most EV brake changes are done with still 50% or more life remaining because the adhesive has worn out because the heat and friction actually help it maintain it's bond.
less maintenance
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:07 pm to billjamin
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If you want to buy a car from a company that hasn’t had govt intervention you’ll need to build one from scratch.
Majority of govt intervention wasn’t asked for by the car companies. Which is why I’m against govt mandates
If it was up to me I’d go back to lead gasoline, no catalytic converters and big block V8s
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:11 pm to deltaland
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Majority of govt intervention wasn’t asked for by the car companies.
GM didn’t ask to be bailed out?
Ford didn’t ask the DOE for the ecoboost dev funds?
Every one of them didn’t ask for tax reductions for facilities?
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:20 pm to billjamin
Your examples are completely different from govt mandating fuel economy or EVs which is what I was talking about.
I don’t think govt should be forcing EVs on everyone. I never stated I didn’t want a vehicle from a company that took govt handouts, you’re being disingenuous. Govt bailouts =\= govt regulation of consumer options
I don’t think govt should be forcing EVs on everyone. I never stated I didn’t want a vehicle from a company that took govt handouts, you’re being disingenuous. Govt bailouts =\= govt regulation of consumer options
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:27 pm to deltaland
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Your examples are completely different from govt mandating fuel economy or EVs which is what I was talking about
When daddy is in your pocket daddy gets to tell you what to do.
I don’t like it, but it’s the reality.
Btw my point is that the govt gets involved in all this shite so deep that hating one but not the other is just selective outrage.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:28 pm to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
quote:Most people spend less than 1 minute per week charging their EV.
Until I can recharge an EV full-size truck in less than 5 minutes and get 400 miles of range, I will continue to buy ICE. Its that simple.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:32 pm to dr
quote:Yeah no shite.
tesla motor INPUT, aka the voltage required to make the motor run. It's not a 12 volt battery
quote:No shite.
it's also not a lead acid battery
quote:
you have no idea what you are talking about
I said the main high voltage lithium battery pack keeps the 12v lead acid battery topped off. If you don't believe that or have a problem with that statement, then you don't know shite about shite.
Again, do you think your phone is taking in 110vac when you plug it into the wall outlet?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:33 pm to josh336
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Price is part of it, and no one here probably wants to hear it, but that small price difference is made up in the long run
Home charging is that still $10k or not as much now
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:36 pm to dr
quote:And as it turns out, 7 miles times 8 hours overnight is more than enough for the majority of drivers the majority of the time.
given optimum conditions, plugging your tesla into a 110vac 20 amp outlet will give you a massive 7 miles per hour of charge
Thanks for pointing out how little impact EVs actually have on the grid.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 12:45 pm to deltaland
quote:
Now imagine living on the coast, a major hurricane rapidly intensifies in the gulf, you need to evacuate. You’re stuck in traffic for hours, your battery is almost dead and the line to charge is half a mile long with each car taking 30 minutes
Pretty much every EV in this scenario is heading out with a full charge. A lot of ICE vehicles are heading out with less than full tanks due to the rush on the pumps. The EVs lose almost no range idling in heavy stop and go traffic, the ICE vehicles lose a lot of range idling in heavy stop and go traffic.
If instead you ride the storm out, gas will still be hard to come by for a while so you have to ration. In hurricane-prone areas generators are damn near everywhere, so if you don't have one it's very easy to find a neighbor to bum a charge from.
EVs have many advantages along the coast.
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