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re: Jalopnik: No One In The U.S. Really Wants To Buy Electric Vehicles
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:07 pm to Sun God
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:07 pm to Sun God
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How does charging work if you don’t have a garage or park on the street? Genuine question.
Unless you can charge at work, which some do, an EV sounds like a very poor fit.
I only charge in my garage. Usually within 20-60 minutes of getting home, I am charged to 80% again.
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Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:08 pm to dewster
I was interested in a hybrid so u can use EV around town and short trips and gas on long trips but apparently nobody makes these any more
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:10 pm to AwesomeSauce
Doesn't the trucking industry oppose the 4th power formula, claiming it is political in nature given that it produces results that say trucks cause many thousands of times more damage than passenger vehicles, and that any properly designed road will not be appreciably damaged by a semi much less passenger vehicles?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:37 pm to dewster
I would buy a hybrid but have no desire to ever buy an EV. If a hurricane comes and damages hundreds of square miles of the electric grid, I would rather not have to wait 3-4 weeks to charge my car.
Hybrid would be fine, uses electric for short distances but if the need for longer trips comes up I just fill up with gas.
And what happens to all the EV that get stranded somewhere during a hurricane or other large scale event. EV do not like having water get inside them, they tend to catch on fire.
Hybrid would be fine, uses electric for short distances but if the need for longer trips comes up I just fill up with gas.
And what happens to all the EV that get stranded somewhere during a hurricane or other large scale event. EV do not like having water get inside them, they tend to catch on fire.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:39 pm to Korkstand
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:39 pm to Korkstand
Yes, many in that industry do. It's simply a formula (though not a simple formula) that has proven to be quite effective. The claim the formula is political is about like Kamala tweeting bathroom size on a plane is.
quote:You can mitigate a variables effect, but you cannot eliminate a variables effect unless you eliminate the variable. Flying cars will allow for that variable to be eliminated, for that traffic anyway.
any properly designed road will not be appreciably damaged by a semi much less passenger vehicles?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 3:51 pm to alphaandomega
quote:Electricity is always more readily available than gas, especially before/during/after a hurricane. Always.
If a hurricane comes and damages hundreds of square miles of the electric grid, I would rather not have to wait 3-4 weeks to charge my car.
quote:As opposed to ICE vehicles that tend to catch fire just driving down the road? Gas vehicles catch fire at a rate many times higher than EVs. It's not even close. Worrying about the tiny chance of your EV catching fire due to already being totaled by saltwater damage is silly.
And what happens to all the EV that get stranded somewhere during a hurricane or other large scale event. EV do not like having water get inside them, they tend to catch on fire.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:00 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:Then let's really nail down the magnitude of that variable. What percentage of damage is due to vehicle weight vs the other variables like typical weathering? Can we also itemize the damage due to the oil trail that accumulates down the middle of every lane to see how much that offsets the alleged increase in damage due to added weight of an EV? I'd like to see this formula and how accurately it predicts real world effects and costs.
You can mitigate a variables effect, but you cannot eliminate a variables effect unless you eliminate the variable.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:03 pm to billjamin
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Your weight concern is noted and I hope you learn these F250 baws while your at it.
Those F250 baws often have 6-ply LT-rated tires. Like the higher load rated tires on my trucks, they last quite a bit longer than even XL-rated passenger car tires. Willing to bet that those trucks, even moderately loaded, place less actual stress on their tires given the dimensions and construction.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:05 pm to alphaandomega
quote:
I would buy a hybrid but have no desire to ever buy an EV. If a hurricane comes and damages hundreds of square miles of the electric grid, I would rather not have to wait 3-4 weeks to charge my car.
I can still charge it at home. Last time the power was out due to hurricane and there were long long lines for gas, I just charged it off of my natural gas generator and avoided all that.
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:12 pm to dewster
It is still early in the EV production development while ICE's development is mature. I suspect that they will end up being some kind of fuel cell/battery combo in the next few decades.
An old friend has an Accord hybrid (non-plug in) and gets 50 to 60 mpg. Personally, I don't trust the added complexity.
An old friend has an Accord hybrid (non-plug in) and gets 50 to 60 mpg. Personally, I don't trust the added complexity.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:15 pm to billjamin
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About 2/3rds of the population live in single family homes.
And the government pushing EVs is currently also pushing the abolishment of single family zoning. I think 3-4 states now have eliminated it state wide. Biden has pushed for it vocally at the federal level. In their vision, we all live in more densely populated urban areas.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:22 pm to Korkstand
quote:You first dismiss it being a variable, now you want to try and mitigate it's magnitude?! Here is a nice read publicized last year on the effects of BEV and HFCEV on infrastructure. LINK While a large part of this focus is on the commercial side and the effects, the same principal is applicable to the passenger vehicle sector.
let's really nail down the magnitude of that variable
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:41 pm to AwesomeSauce
quote:From the abstract:
While a large part of this focus is on the commercial side and the effects, the same principal is applicable to the passenger vehicle sector.
quote:And to remind what I said:
This is overwhelmingly
caused by large vehicles – buses, heavy goods vehicles. Smaller vehicles make a negligible contribution.
quote:And define "negligible" for good measure:
essentially no difference
quote:
Not significant or important enough to be worth considering
So now that we've established that the weight of EV passenger vehicles have a negligible impact on road wear, can we move on to road degradation and cleanup costs due to oil buildup?
Posted on 7/12/23 at 4:57 pm to Clames
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Those F250 baws often have 6-ply LT-rated tires
Yea all the lifted mall crawler with offset rims and grapplers are 6 ply. Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:10 pm to dewster
Tesla is like a hobby for Elon. If it was to fail, he would be okay. All the car manufacturers see the demand for his cars and are trying to play catch up. I think he sells it soon to some giant sucker. Not saying it would be a bad buy, but the infrastructure is not in place and won't be for a long time, like 25 plus years.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 5:58 pm to dewster
How bad will it get in a contra flow on 10 and 12
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:05 pm to billjamin
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Probably best to avoid EVs unless you want to run a really big extension cord lol.
So you should probably revise that 2/3 number drastically lol.
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:12 pm to alumiknotty
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I just charged it off of my natural gas generator
This reinforces the article in the OP
This post was edited on 7/12/23 at 6:13 pm
Posted on 7/12/23 at 6:52 pm to Sun God
quote:
So you should probably revise that 2/3 number drastically lol.
All I said was 2/3 live in single family homes. Let’s just go with the data in OP that 51% are considering an EV for their next car. We can assume they have access to adequate charging if they’re considering it.
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