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re: Ivermectin: Cancer killer Are you aware of these studies?

Posted on 3/7/25 at 9:05 am to
Posted by WigSplitta22
The Bottom
Member since Apr 2014
2292 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 9:05 am to
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What?



Hush and enjoy your lunch, meanwhile we'll update your profile on Dollars for Docs. You are doing great doc. Keep prescribing and we'll keep providing
Posted by Freauxzen
Washington
Member since Feb 2006
38400 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 9:46 am to
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And I think it is really easy to be cynical about the medical industry, especially in recent years and especially given the remarkably poor health of Americans broadly.


Appreciate that, and look, I admit that plus some personal stuff is probably what it is. Long story short - I've had high BP for the last 8 years or so. I exercise, a lot, eat mostly mediterranean, everything from scratch, stay out of the grocery aisles, don't have a history of high BP in the family. Yet all my doctor wanted to do was increase dose, increase dose, increase dose.

I went outside of big medical, still licensed, but outside, he changed my medication, talked about very specific changes to a few lifestyle issues, and voila - BP dropped 40 points in less than 40 days. It was nuts. That's just 1 story, but if I would have stayed with the same doctor - I would have just received dose after dose, after dose, with no real questioning as to what it was. I had a few conversations with my doc about lifestyle - and tried a lot of stuff - but he just gave up and increased dosage. That was all that mattered. I was willing to try anything, and he didn't care.

Yes, that's a singular instance, but I have, and have heard, a few more. It just doesn't give a lot of confidence.

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For the life of me, I don't know why we allow pharmaceutical commercials. I understand them, but often, I already get the spiel from all the reps that come and go. I like the reps, especially when they bring lunch, and will listen to them, so I've broadened my awareness of new treatments, even those that aren't directly related to my field. But I don't understand what purpose they serve for the general public. What people tend to fixate on is not the drug, but the adverse effects, which need to be mentioned yes, but also they just tend to stress people out and serve as medium for distrust for any medication.



1000%

I wrote the comment to someone saying "If Ivemectin had an effect on cancer, they 100% would have released it and announced it," and I just don't trust that perspective. I don't think Ivermectin does, but the fact that some of the fasting+meds science isn't really trusted on Cancer tells a lot. There's some seriously good work out there being done on fasting and cancer, but the medical establishment doesn't care. Even fasting to navigate chemo has some fairly strong support.

I don't think big pharma would ever release something that would significantly impact a major money maker. And unless someone discovers it in a shack somewhere, it's going to be embedded within the system - and the system won't let something like that out. I just don't see it. Can they make a lot of money in the short term? Of course, but I would say it isn't as interested in that as a perptual, never ending flow of drug being bought.

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It would be easy to be cynical, but I also think we can do better, although I am not the man to do that. I don't care about the business side, I just want to treat patients. Thus I am not sure how to fix the situation but like others I can sense that there is something wrong about approaching the patient as an opportunity for profit rather than as a human being.


This. And that's all I mean. Look, I don't know if the COVID vaccine was legit or not. But it sure doesn't feel like it. It feels like a big grift. And the fact that we saw probably good minded doctors follow and not question, is what puts the whole system up for debate.There was very little dissension and media did a great job of excising those who did. No legit questions were asked and answered, it was just "do as we say," and nothing more. And even if the vaccine was legit, it sure wasn't necessary by all standards.

That's really the issue. We don't see upheaval, we don't see questioning. And I don't think most doctor's have ill will, so when I say the system doesn't want to cure things, I don't mean doctor's at all. But they also don't critique or stand or question. I'm not going to dig into the whole debate of "the system," as said above, it's complex, but the very fact that a pharmaceutical company would make a very calculated call about curing something AND the fact that doctor's, for self preservation reasons, seemingly didn't really question COVID at all - those are parts of "the system," that create an environment that isn't really rewarded for curing things, or making them disappear.

Posted by Freight Joker
Member since Aug 2019
3728 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 9:56 am to
Nm
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 3:09 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85654 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 10:00 am to
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Ivermectin and azelaic acid are both topical medications used to treat skin conditions, particularly rosacea.



This is what I use ivermectin for.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39157 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 11:22 am to
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Hush and enjoy your lunch, meanwhile we'll update your profile on Dollars for Docs. You are doing great doc. Keep prescribing and we'll keep providing



Lol
Posted by newmexicotiger
Member since Sep 2017
4061 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 11:30 am to
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Cured my Peyronie's


Left me hung like a horse
Posted by TT9
Global warming
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 3/7/25 at 11:31 am to
Posted by Wiener
Member since Apr 2019
94 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:19 pm to
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I also dislike private equity's involvement in hospitals, as I tend to think that trying to derive profit or excessive profit from medical care can lead to some really perverse incentives.

This is something that blows my mind. Physicians are not allowed to own hospitals now due to conflicts of interest.

The alternative we've moved forward with is that groups whose sole purpose is to generate profit are now taking ownership. With physicians, it was a potential problem, but with private equity, it's the stated goal.
Posted by Wiener
Member since Apr 2019
94 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:27 pm to
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I don't think big pharma would ever release something that would significantly impact a major money maker. And unless someone discovers it in a shack somewhere, it's going to be embedded within the system - and the system won't let something like that out.

This line of thinking represents a misunderstanding of the clinical trial process. They don't have magic drugs hidden away that they know work in large scale studies. It takes too many people to get a trial accrued and followed for it to be locked away after seeing significantly positive results.

They aren't doing large scale hidden trials behind the scenes and anything that hasn't been thoroughly tested can't really be described as some magic bullet.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77921 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:37 pm to
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If everything was cured, there also wouldn't be a medical industry
This is just simple.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77921 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:41 pm to
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Pharmaceutical companies will never conduct honest trials of anything that doesn't earn them profits in the billions
This is dumb. They pour millions into multiple compounds, yet only about 10% ever make it to market.

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 the cures of so called incurable diseases can be had for free. Arthritis, MS, Parkinson's disease, type 2 diabetes and many other diseases can be cured by substituting toxins for nutrients
Whats stopping you? Do it.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85654 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 12:58 pm to
I dont totally disagree with you Jake, but these companies are also evil.


It can be both.


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June 15, 1993 to April 15, 1994: Purdue conducted a clinical trial in elderly patients with osteoarthritis to test the safety and efficacy of OxyContin. It enrolled 133 patients, but only 63 completed the trial. About 82% of the patients had some sort of adverse event related to the treatment. Yet Purdue concluded that the study “demonstrated that [controlled-release] Oxycodone is a safe and effective analgesic for the control of osteoarthritis-related pain.”



And this right here, people should hang. Seriously, the amount of opioid deaths is a fricking holocaust.


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“Our current MS Contin business has created ‘a franchise’ with certain physicians who routinely write prescriptions for the drug,” Friedman wrote. These family physicians, general physicians, and internists “may be the bridge that we can use to expand the use of OxyContin beyond Cancer patients to chronic non-malignant pain” — a market that he noted accounted for 68.7 million prescriptions a year.


They knowingly poisoned people for profit with the help of your family doctor.


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March 31, 1995: In the minutes of a marketing team meeting on the impending launch of OxyContin in the U.S., Purdue staff emphasized that the drug needs to be used for a broad group of pain patients, and that the twice-daily dosing of OxyContin is its “most important benefit.”

“It was reinforced that we do not want to niche OxyContin just for cancer pain,” the minutes stated.




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“We do not want to position OxyContin in a way that will discourage physicians from using OxyContin for chronic non-malignant pain, especially when we have studies available that demonstrate efficacy and safety for this indication.”



Problem is they didn't have these studies and the doctors didn't either but prescribed it anyway.

Kind of like the covid shots.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 1:06 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77921 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 1:28 pm to
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but these companies are also evil
I didn't say some weren't evil or engaged in fudging numbers.

And the opioid crisis, at least 50%, lies at the feet of government and their media sychophants pushing "pain is the fifth vital sign" on the medical field for almost all of the1990s. It was in newspapers and magazines like Newsweek. Then doctors were sued for under treatment of pain.

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Kind of like the covid shots
Should not have been mandated.
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 1:29 pm
Posted by ImaObserver
Member since Aug 2019
2446 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 2:23 pm to
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Cured my Peyronie's


I know a guy that had that problem as a kid but he cured it himself by switching to the other hand for a while.
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
8907 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 2:32 pm to
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I didn't say some weren't evil or engaged in fudging numbers.



It’s more than some. Here’s a few. frick em all

LINK
This post was edited on 3/7/25 at 2:33 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77921 posts
Posted on 3/7/25 at 2:45 pm to
I get what you're saying.

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AstraZeneca was fined $520 million to resolve allegations that it illegally promoted the antipsychotic drug Seroquel. The drug was approved for treating schizophrenia and later for bipolar mania, but the government alleged that AstraZeneca promoted Seroquel for a variety of unapproved uses, such as aggression, sleeplessness, anxiety, and depression
Actually, it works for a few of those unapproved uses. AZ got in trouble for not following bureaucratic rules. I have mixed feelings about this large govt oversight in many cases.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
7589 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 2:07 pm to
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Whats stopping you? Do it
I did do it. Arthritis gone. Demyelination gone. They weren't incurable after all.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77921 posts
Posted on 3/8/25 at 2:48 pm to
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Demyelination gone
Oh sure, sure.
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