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re: It's Happening!!! The St. George trial started Monday, May 2. Media stopped covering 5/10.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:47 am to TheSadvocate
Posted on 5/3/22 at 9:47 am to TheSadvocate
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So people that are living outside the city of Baton Rouge are paying taxes for services that they aren’t receiving?
Been that way for awhile
So, literally, taxation without representation, or benefit.
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:02 am to MrCoolBeans
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Yes, a lot of people thought it was for new schools. Because that’s what they were told in the beginning, and even tho the organizers knew schools were NOT going to happen, they kept pushing new schools to sell the vote.
Where are these people. Do you have any (enough to show the election would go the other way) who believe they were misled?
Or, should people just allow people like yourself to be the arbiter of that claim?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:25 am to teke184
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BR does not provide fire, water, gas, police, etc, to these areas, as they are all covered by special districts, the parish sheriff, parish agencies, or private industry.
Yet these areas are paying for BRFD and BRPD through the guaranteed percentage of “general fund” moneys for the whole parish despite those entities only covering BR and not unincorporated areas or other municipalities such as Baker, Central, and Zachary.
Can you explain specifically which part you see here is going towards the "general fund" from my EBR tax assessment living in the future St. George?
Is it the 3.15% i paid in "parish tax", b/c that isn't the same as the 5.75% that goes towards the "General Fund", which doesnt' show up on my tax assessment, but you can see it listed here on the millage rates LINK
I don't know specifically what the "law enforcement" ones go to, but the St. George Fire Dept District #2 has nothing to do with BRFD. There are specific millage rates for the city of BR and for BRFD that i don't pay. I would assume the law enforcement ones have to go towards BRPD too b/c there isn't a specific millage that calls out BRPD.
and no i'm not advocating for ST. George to not happen. I can't wait for it to happen. Would just like some facts to be shared here.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:26 am to Tigerpride18
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How can y’all have the energy to care so strongly about this. Just thinking about it bores me to tears.
For some reason it seems like the south Louisiana area is obsessed with state politics. I couldn’t find 10 people around where I live that would take the time to discuss any of this stuff
Reminds me a woman who moderated a faceboot page about a small town who later shut the page down because folks would not stop discussing/bitching about the local politics of said town.
I do not understand this mindset of attempting to isolate oneself from politics.
Remember , politics is who gets what,when,and where.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:29 am to TeddyPadillac
All sales taxes accrued within the boundaries of St George fall within the parish general fund when, if St George were incorporated, that money would be earmarked for the area.
As far as mills go, St George pays for nearly all of the parish services and the cities pay little, if anything, despite still using them.
Not having to pay for parish services allows them to pay for shite like community centers and Council On Aging to pander for votes through benefits to their community.
As far as mills go, St George pays for nearly all of the parish services and the cities pay little, if anything, despite still using them.
Not having to pay for parish services allows them to pay for shite like community centers and Council On Aging to pander for votes through benefits to their community.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:43 am to teke184
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All sales taxes accrued within the boundaries of St George fall within the parish general fund when, if St George were incorporated, that money would be earmarked for the area.
ok, well that's not something i would stand on saying that i'm paying taxes for something and not getting the services back. I would say the vast majority of my sales tax is done in the city anyway, not in St. George, likely like most people living in St. George. Not to say that doesn't matter, b/c it does, but i seriously doubt that makes a big difference to the city considering they are keeping LSU, Siegen and bluebonnet shopping. Really doesn't leave much other than a few stores on Highland and the Shenandoah area.
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As far as mills go, St George pays for nearly all of the parish services and the cities pay little, if anything, despite still using them.
Be specific here. I'm paying for a fire department that only services my area, not the city. The only thing i see here is the parish tax, and i have no idea what that is used for.
The only tax i see on there that i know St. George is paying for the most, and barely using, is the 41% going towards EBR public schools. This new city is going to have over 100K people, yet there is 1 public high school for the new proposed area. The vast majority of the residents that live in St. George are attending private schools.
As pointed out before, this is what the formation of this new city is all about.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:48 am to TeddyPadillac
I’m on a phone and not a computer so I can’t pull up the EBR parish budget and drop the appropriate pages in here.
It boils down to the unincorporated areas (mainly St George) pay for 100% of a lot of parish services and pay very high percentages of a lot of others, not all of which are exclusively for the use of unincorporated areas.
Sheriff, constable, courts, and a number of other things are on the list.
And if the argument is that “well, you use that when you head into BR” for BRPD and BRFD, a lot of those same services are used by BR, Baker, Zachary, and Central while heading to and from each other and to areas considered in those metros which are not incorporated.
EBRPSO has to cover the whole parish from north of Zachary to below BR to the St George corner in the southeast to Pride in the northeast. Just because there is a patchwork of PDs in parts of those areas doesn’t mean EBRPSO isn’t having to do the work of some of those other departments, mainly BRPD, who are undermanned and need help.
It boils down to the unincorporated areas (mainly St George) pay for 100% of a lot of parish services and pay very high percentages of a lot of others, not all of which are exclusively for the use of unincorporated areas.
Sheriff, constable, courts, and a number of other things are on the list.
And if the argument is that “well, you use that when you head into BR” for BRPD and BRFD, a lot of those same services are used by BR, Baker, Zachary, and Central while heading to and from each other and to areas considered in those metros which are not incorporated.
EBRPSO has to cover the whole parish from north of Zachary to below BR to the St George corner in the southeast to Pride in the northeast. Just because there is a patchwork of PDs in parts of those areas doesn’t mean EBRPSO isn’t having to do the work of some of those other departments, mainly BRPD, who are undermanned and need help.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:48 am to TeddyPadillac
People are not going to switch from their private schools to public even if all of this goes the way they want it to. They'll say they are waiting for the schools to improve, not understanding that putting the good families back into public is the only way that happens.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:49 am to calcotron
Kids in the current system won’t change schools.
I figure that putting younger kids just starting in school into the system for a year or two to try it out is far more likely than pulling a kid out of Episcopal or St Joe’s with no possibility of return if they don’t like it.
I figure that putting younger kids just starting in school into the system for a year or two to try it out is far more likely than pulling a kid out of Episcopal or St Joe’s with no possibility of return if they don’t like it.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 10:54 am to TeddyPadillac
Your parish property tax goes into the parish’s general fund and it is spent for whatever the mayor says.
The biggest item is the 44 million dollars in sales taxes collected in SG which goes into the general fund and per city officials pays for their police, fire, street maintenance, etc.
If you live in SG and purchased a vehicle you paid sales tax which went into the general fund. If you purchased groceries in SG, ate at City Cafe’, or bought something from Clegg’s on Siegen your tax dollars went into the GF.
You may not think it’s much, but it added up to over 44 million dollars.
The biggest item is the 44 million dollars in sales taxes collected in SG which goes into the general fund and per city officials pays for their police, fire, street maintenance, etc.
If you live in SG and purchased a vehicle you paid sales tax which went into the general fund. If you purchased groceries in SG, ate at City Cafe’, or bought something from Clegg’s on Siegen your tax dollars went into the GF.
You may not think it’s much, but it added up to over 44 million dollars.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:02 am to jbgleason
You would get me as a council person or eventually a mayor.
Flooding
1) I would put in place realistic plans for cleaning ditches, culverts, and canals. It may take awhile. We would have a plan and work the plan.
Sit down with Iberville and Ascension Parishes to work out a plan with Bayou Manchac or build canals along bayou fountain to pump stations over the Miss River levee.
2) I would put in a plan for better growth.
Do I want to stop development? No
We got to have a plan in place to make sure roads and drainage are in place before we build new subdivisions.
Let’s fix the problem before it becomes a problem.
3) By law we to have a police chief.
I would look at a budget to see if having deputies is better or have our own department. You have to be fair which choice you have at the end of the day you have to support it as it involves staff and equipment.
4) Look is it feasible to make St George fire district a city dept where the city controls it or keep it as a fire district where the metro council controls it.
5) setup a mayors court or some sort of city court.
6) look at parish contracts for garbage and other services. Decide is it better to bid out our own contracts or piggy back off theirs.
At the end of the day we have to figure this out not outsiders.
Flooding
1) I would put in place realistic plans for cleaning ditches, culverts, and canals. It may take awhile. We would have a plan and work the plan.
Sit down with Iberville and Ascension Parishes to work out a plan with Bayou Manchac or build canals along bayou fountain to pump stations over the Miss River levee.
2) I would put in a plan for better growth.
Do I want to stop development? No
We got to have a plan in place to make sure roads and drainage are in place before we build new subdivisions.
Let’s fix the problem before it becomes a problem.
3) By law we to have a police chief.
I would look at a budget to see if having deputies is better or have our own department. You have to be fair which choice you have at the end of the day you have to support it as it involves staff and equipment.
4) Look is it feasible to make St George fire district a city dept where the city controls it or keep it as a fire district where the metro council controls it.
5) setup a mayors court or some sort of city court.
6) look at parish contracts for garbage and other services. Decide is it better to bid out our own contracts or piggy back off theirs.
At the end of the day we have to figure this out not outsiders.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 11:07 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:15 am to doubleb
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Your parish property tax goes into the parish’s general fund and it is spent for whatever the mayor says.
You know this for a fact are you just assuming?
B/c there's a millage for the general fund, and people in St. george don't pay it. What makes you assume this parish tax goes into the general fund?
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The biggest item is the 44 million dollars in sales taxes collected in SG which goes into the general fund and per city officials pays for their police, fire, street maintenance, etc.
are you including the Siegen and Bluebonnet areas and Laburge in this sales tax figure, b/c that would be a bit dishonest of you to use that figure if so considering that area won't be part of St. George and i'm sure makes up a nice percentage of that number?
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If you live in SG and purchased a vehicle you paid sales tax which went into the general fund. If you purchased groceries in SG, ate at City Cafe’, or bought something from Clegg’s on Siegen your tax dollars went into the GF.
uh like 99% of the dealerships are in St. George, and plenty of people from the all over the area buy vehicles from those places. It's not like they are just selling to St. George people.
and now i'll assume your $44M figure was including Siegen and Bluebonnet area, which won't be part of St. George anyway.
Look i get what you're saying here, but the point remains that the main purpose of all of this is the school system. I think the talk about my taxes are going towards the city instead of being used in my area is a bit overstated. It's without a doubt happening, but i don't think many people are bitching about that aspect of it outside of the schools. It's not like we need the police protection in our area. we need it when we go into BR, which we pretty much all do daily, so i really don't give a shite about paying taxes towards BRPD. It's no different than someone bitching about paying taxes towards BREC and never using their facilities. And that is an area that needs to be bitched about. BREC brings in way too much money to have such shitty facilities. We are easily the worst parks department in the state when compared to the other larger areas. It's embarrassing hosting soccer tourneys at Burbank after seeing the parks in Hammond, Mandevilee, Lafraniere, Lafayette. It's pathetic that we have to play baseball at Traction and churches b/c there's no decent Brec parks.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:24 am to teke184
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Kids in the current system won’t change schools.
I know i won't now. but that's not what the new school system is being built for.
If i had the option when my first kid was starting school to attend a school that only allowed students that lived in the area contained by Airline/Pecue/Highland, which is where we live and only allow those kids, no bussing in degenerates, then i would have sent my kids to that public school, b/c that public school would basically be St. George Catholic elementary.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:27 am to TeddyPadillac
Blame the people BREC has running the parks.
Zachary’s BREC parks are decent enough for day to day use but there is a gigantic baseball complex there (Zachary Youth Park) which appears to have been made out of city and private funds which connects to a BREC park next door.
If the city of BR needs better sports complexes similar to those in places like Mandeville, start asking questions as to where the money is going.
My guess is that a LOT of that money is going to no-work jobs or large salaries for BREC executives rather than building and maintaining parks.
Zachary’s BREC parks are decent enough for day to day use but there is a gigantic baseball complex there (Zachary Youth Park) which appears to have been made out of city and private funds which connects to a BREC park next door.
If the city of BR needs better sports complexes similar to those in places like Mandeville, start asking questions as to where the money is going.
My guess is that a LOT of that money is going to no-work jobs or large salaries for BREC executives rather than building and maintaining parks.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:30 am to TeddyPadillac
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and now i'll assume your $44M figure
Do you think the lawsuit would be happening if the sales tax generated in St. George was only being spent on St. George and not going into the City of BR's general fund for city services?
The lawsuit's premise is that by removing the sales tax money from being used by the City of BR and letting St. George spend it on St. George, that the city is going to be irrevocably damaged. Their own testimony is that it's going to reduce city budgets by 20% including the BRPD.
ETA: One of the lawsuit's premises, I should say. But when the Police Chief of BRPD admits on the stand that losing the sales tax generated by St. George is going to cause a 20% reduction in his budget and force layoffs, he's telling you exactly where that money is coming from and where it is going.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 11:33 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:34 am to TeddyPadillac
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uh like 99% of the dealerships are in St. George, and plenty of people from the all over the area buy vehicles from those places. It's not like they are just selling to St. George people.
You do know you pay sales tax at the address where the vehicle is registered, not where you buy it
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:35 am to teke184
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I figure that putting younger kids just starting in school into the system for a year or two to try it out is far more likely than pulling a kid out of Episcopal or St Joe’s with no possibility of return if they don’t like it.
One could argue the voters were misled by reading this. To my understanding schools are not happening any time soon. If ever and was never part of what the vote was for.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 11:36 am
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:37 am to teke184
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Blame the people BREC has running the parks.
i know that, as well as the fact that i'm sure there are ridiculous and unnecessary salaries. They are a horribly run organization with money falling out of their asses.
But the problem is no one complains about this at all, and just accepts it. It's never something that is talked about like when there is a mayoral election. We'll argue about a stupid arse train going from southern to lsu to new orleans, but not a peep about something many of the citizens of this city use, in all the BREC parks. I would bet a large amount of the money is used for the zoo, and for saving up to move to the zoo or redo it where it currently is.
The soccer fields at Independence are almost unplayable right now. Most baseball fields are just weeds and rarely get cut, and many of them are used for football practice too. I've seen guys bringing their own lawn mowers to parks just so kids can practice and not have 6 inch high grass to run through.
I will say the splash pads have been nice additions lately, but the field maintenance at all of the parks is just atrocious. They could pay for the enhancements to many of these parks just by making them nice enough to host tournaments at. If there was another option for BRSC to play soccer at, the fields at Burbank would cease to exist, and the only reason those fields are there is b/c that organization pays to play there b/c they have no other option.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:39 am to MrCoolBeans
The only explicitly “schools” argument made was “this is a step towards getting an ISD approved, per the LA legislature.”
Which is true, as the legislature said they wouldn’t fund an ISD without a city to be associated with.
All other St George arguments have been about self-governance and spending money accrued in St George within St George.
Which is true, as the legislature said they wouldn’t fund an ISD without a city to be associated with.
All other St George arguments have been about self-governance and spending money accrued in St George within St George.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 11:41 am to calcotron
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People are not going to switch from their private schools to public even if all of this goes the way they want it to. They'll say they are waiting for the schools to improve, not understanding that putting the good families back into public is the only way that happens.
In a perfect world, the next governor will pass legislation passing public funding directly to parents. This will allow the best of both worlds.
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