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re: It is physically impossible for all automobiles to be powered by lithium ion batteries
Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:42 pm to Swamp Angel
Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:42 pm to Swamp Angel
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tell me again exactly WHY is it that these EVs are being shoved down our throats?
I have never once felt them being shoved down my throat.
Imagine the next 2-5 vehicle purchases I make will be ICE and I don't chamge cars that often.
ICE isn't going anywhere.
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Posted on 10/16/22 at 5:43 pm to LSUSUPERSTAR
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We definitely want to start fricking with something that helps regulate our ocean tides. Nothing bad would come of that.
this
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:08 pm to DaLSUTigers
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don't bring logic or facts into a conversations with Dems/Libs. The best decisions are all made with feelings
Dude just dropped a “trust me bro” citing something he claims to have read 30 years ago as if it’s still representative to now.
Lithium reserves are a valid concern. But he misses on two points:
1)
His estimate is detached from reality saying that it couldn’t provide coverage period. Given current growth rate of EVs, they are expecting depletion not to occur until at least 70 years from now, depending on degree of recycling.
LINK /
2)the gaps aren’t being ignored. And lithium ion batteries have finally hit a wall of development. Scientists are playing around with multiple of alternatives that don’t use lithium at all.
Sodium and calcium based batteries are seeing big breakthroughs in recent years.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:09 pm to fightin tigers
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I have never once felt them being shoved down my throat
Electricity Laws and Incentives in Federal
The list below contains summaries of all Federal laws and incentives related to electricity
"Alternative Fuels Data Center: Electricity Laws and Incentives in Federal" LINK
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:10 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
If you have to ask…..
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:13 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
So much misinformation and lies.
First, it takes maybe 100 kg of lithium (but probably less) for one EV battery. I believe we know of at least 20 million metric tons of reserves, which is enough for more than 200 million vehicles. And we know of 100 million more tons of resources, which is enough for a billion EVs. Also the oceans contain several hundred to thousands of times more lithium than we could ever need, should the need and tech arise.
But we will never need that much because lithium in an EV battery doesn't get used up, it is infinitely recyclable. The lithium in your first EV will be recycled and used to build one for the next generation.
Also it is doubtful that lithium is the pinnacle of battery tech. We've only been developing it for a few decades, and given that it will take many more decades for EV adoption to come close to 100%, and that there are multiple other techs and chemistries in development, it's highly unlikely that we will ever come close to running out.
As with all markets, there will be shortages at times, and I'd expect folks like you to harp on it every time using your lithium-containing phones via the internet which is backed up by lithium-containing UPS systems at every hop.
The claim that it is physically impossible to build an EV for everyone on the planet is false and stupid. You should be ashamed of yourself, whether because you are too stupid to know this fact or if you are a liar.
First, it takes maybe 100 kg of lithium (but probably less) for one EV battery. I believe we know of at least 20 million metric tons of reserves, which is enough for more than 200 million vehicles. And we know of 100 million more tons of resources, which is enough for a billion EVs. Also the oceans contain several hundred to thousands of times more lithium than we could ever need, should the need and tech arise.
But we will never need that much because lithium in an EV battery doesn't get used up, it is infinitely recyclable. The lithium in your first EV will be recycled and used to build one for the next generation.
Also it is doubtful that lithium is the pinnacle of battery tech. We've only been developing it for a few decades, and given that it will take many more decades for EV adoption to come close to 100%, and that there are multiple other techs and chemistries in development, it's highly unlikely that we will ever come close to running out.
As with all markets, there will be shortages at times, and I'd expect folks like you to harp on it every time using your lithium-containing phones via the internet which is backed up by lithium-containing UPS systems at every hop.
The claim that it is physically impossible to build an EV for everyone on the planet is false and stupid. You should be ashamed of yourself, whether because you are too stupid to know this fact or if you are a liar.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:15 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
Go with hydrogen fueled vehicles. Most abundant element in the universe. Break down water and you get hydrogen (Fuel) and oxygen (antipolution element). Burn hydrogen and you get heat (power vehicles) and water as waste product from the combustion.
I know there are lots of problems with hydrogen fuel. Hopefully someone (who is alive and working on it today) will figure out how to do it. Certainly makes more sense than lithium.
I know there are lots of problems with hydrogen fuel. Hopefully someone (who is alive and working on it today) will figure out how to do it. Certainly makes more sense than lithium.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:16 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
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You don’t know what in the frick you’re talking about
Please enlighten me! I would love to be wrong!
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:17 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
quote:member peak oil theory in the 80s? oil production would peak in 1996 and it was all downhill from there
It has been known since at least the early 1990s that there are not sufficient proven lithium reserves on THE GLOBE to satisfy global demand for automobiles (not even mentioning other forms of fossil fuel transportation
I ‘member
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:17 pm to Swamp Angel
quote:Most normal people don't feel this way at all. Seems there's a certain type of person who feels like everything is being shoved down his throat. Do you struggle with homophobia?
tell me again exactly WHY is it that these EVs are being shoved down our throats?
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:17 pm to Korkstand
quote:Ok. There are currently 1.4 billion cars on earth.
I believe we know of at least 20 million metric tons of reserves, which is enough for more than 200 million vehicles. And we know of 100 million more tons of resources, which is enough for a billion EVs.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:18 pm to tgrgrd00
quote:Hm if laws and incentives mean something is shoved down your throat, then absolutely everything that you buy, use, and consume has been shoved down your throat.
The list below contains summaries of all Federal laws and incentives related to electricity
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:19 pm to MeridianDog
quote:Hydrogen as grid storage makes a lot of sense, but hydrogen as fuel or portable energy storage doesn't make much sense.
I know there are lots of problems with hydrogen fuel. Hopefully someone (who is alive and working on it today) will figure out how to do it. Certainly makes more sense than lithium.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:22 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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Regular gas car aren’t normally transported from factory to dealership via tractor trailers?
Here's a useless factoid from an old fart. When I worked for GM (Senior Quality Engineer for Packard Electric Division) there was a program where you could pick up your corvette at the end of the assembly line Be the first person to crank it and then drive it out the door of the corvette plant in Bowling Green, Kentucky.
GM was smart. That was an option you had to purchase when you ordered your vette. I knew of people who walked their vette all the way down the assembly line, and shook hands with the workers.
This post was edited on 10/16/22 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:24 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
Batteries can be made from substances other than Lithium. I agree that we should be very careful with electrifying our transportation and shipping infrastructure.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:25 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
quote:Ok. What's your point?
Ok. There are currently 1.4 billion cars on earth.
At the current rate of sales/manufacture it will take a century to replace them all. At a very aggressive growth rate it will take several decades. Are you under the impression that new lithium reserves are not and will not be found? Are you under the impression that extraction technology will cease to improve and that proven resources will never be profitably extracted? These are asinine assumptions btw.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:27 pm to Korkstand
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At the current rate of sales/manufacture it will take a century to replace them all.
Absolute fantasyland.
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:28 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
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THE GLOBE
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ONE TIME
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ONCE
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ON EARTH
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IMPOSSIBLE
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FACT
I’m on to your code. Who are you working for?
Posted on 10/16/22 at 6:36 pm to BrianKellyRespecter
And 60 years after first panic, we still haven’t come close to peak oil.
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