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re: It appears that The Rock is off the gear after losing a lot of muscle
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:17 pm to tiggerthetooth
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:17 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Any guy thats muscular/ripped after maybe...40...is on "trt" (so many delusional idiots claiming they "need" trt when really they just want to juice up).
Easy now, there are a few of us that are still natural.
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Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:18 pm to stout
The docs may have made him come off of his roids/Test/ofher supplements due to health concerns. Living skinny is better than dying with huge muscles! 
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:19 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Can always count on the low IQ "youre just jealous bro! " response here.
If you’re going to accuse someone of giving a low-IQ response, hyphenate your compound adjective, you low-IQ fricktard.
I will take that as you are fat and that you are in fact jealous. As I said previously, some of us haven’t given up on life.
You can refer to that as vanity if you’d like, but that highlights your jealously. I’m also not on TRT and only take creatine and protein supplements.
You probably dress like shite too.
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:21 pm to bad93ex
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That’s the difference between TRT and juicing. They don’t put you over 1k on TRT but juicing will put you into levels beyond 2k+
Depends on age, labs, etc.
My provider is ok with me being around 1400
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:29 pm to Tigahs24Seven
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It's all midlife crisis body image and sex drive...don't threaten their narrative otherwise because these guys are so scared to lose their exogenous T fix that they will fight you to the death over why they "need" it. The body decreases sex hormones in both men and women over time for a reason..you can manipulate them back up, or even higher than normal, all you want, but it is definitely not what nature intended and there is a price.
There is a reason for that decrease with age whether you accept it or fight it....The exogenous hormone replacement business is making alot of MD's and NP's more money than you can even imagine. They will produce all the "its OK to do this" studies they need to to protect their cash cow. Pharma is pharma
There are some seriously stupid hot takes on various topics on the OT, but this is one of the dumbest ones I've seen in my years posting here.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:29 pm to WaydownSouth
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My provider is ok with me being around 1400
Wow, I assume its a medical condition and not just the "i feel bad" give me TRT script, right?
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:32 pm to tiggerthetooth
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supra-physiological levels of T tend to cause cardiovascular issues along with other side effects.
Cite the levels and correlating study results. Let's read it.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:36 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Lots of dudes who claim "oh im just on trt" yet on super high doses.
You've now moved the goalposts. Most on TRT are on doses that put them in their age range normal levels. You're now crawfishing and talking about a very low percentage of people that do this.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:37 pm to tiggerthetooth
Second
Done having kids, wanted it to be easier to build and maintain muscle.
I feel good, look good, and enjoy life more.
You got a problem with that?
Done having kids, wanted it to be easier to build and maintain muscle.
I feel good, look good, and enjoy life more.
You got a problem with that?
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:38 pm to WaydownSouth
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I feel good, look good, and enjoy life more.
You got a problem with that?
It’s pretty clear that he does.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:38 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Finally coming back to reality. I know he had somewhat implied he was diagnosed with some heart condition and there are lots of videos basically saying he needs to stop juicing even though he SWEARS hes "natty". Good to see hes admitting defeat. Any guy thats muscular/ripped after maybe...40...is on "trt" (so many delusional idiots claiming they "need" trt when really they just want to juice up).
He definitely had a health scare. Heart and digestive issue (maybe something precancerous).
It is also not good to carry that much weight as you age, regardless of whether it is muscle.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:38 pm to stout
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Some speculation that he has heart disease
Heard the same
A lifetime of roids abuse always catches up
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:41 pm to Oates Mustache
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Cite the levels and correlating study results. Let's read it.
They'll never find it, because it doesn't exist.
Just that supra-physiological doses are bad.
The reality is that you could probably run 500mg of test and a little masteron forever and be perfectly fine. Get regular labs done and monitor your blood pressure.
The big dudes having issues are running multiple grams per week, insulin and HGH. All that on top of being 5'8 250 pounds.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:46 pm to tiggerthetooth
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TRT is literally just a term while the substance utilized can take you far above natural..
No it isn't at all. It's literally Testosterone Replacement Therapy
You have to be trolling.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 12:58 pm to WaydownSouth
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They'll never find it, because it doesn't exist.
Studies obviously exist. Results show no increase in major cardiovascular events but do show that there is a possible link between heart health and TRT
This one shows no changes in major cardiovascular events but higher reates of AFib
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Randomized Controlled Trial (TRAVERSE, NEJM 2023)
Middle-aged and older men (45–80 years) with hypogonadism (T < 300 ng/dL) received either testosterone gel or placebo.
No increase in major cardiovascular events was observed overall (primary endpoint: nonfatal MI, stroke, or CV death; about 7% in both groups)
American College of Cardiology
However, higher rates of pulmonary embolism, atrial fibrillation (AFib), and acute kidney injury were noted in the TRT group
ACC Study
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A trial in older men with mobility limitations using TRT gel (daily) was terminated early due to a higher frequency of cardiovascular, respiratory, and dermatologic adverse events compared to placebo
LINK
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A meta-analysis found no causal link between TRT and adverse CV events, provided hypogonadism is properly diagnosed and therapy is managed correctly. Elevated hematocrit was the most consistent side effect
LINK
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Another large RCT meta-analysis showed increased CV-related events with TRT, especially in non–industry-funded trials, suggesting possible underreporting in some studies
LINK
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The noted elevated risks of AFib and thromboembolic events could reflect transient or higher spikes—particularly with gel dosing protocols that may produce serum fluctuation
American College of Cardiology
Mechanistic Insight (Animal Model, NLRP3 Activation)
In mice, supraphysiological testosterone induced vascular dysfunction via reactive oxygen species and NLRP3 inflammasome activation—resulting in increased vasoconstriction and decreased vasodilation
Although based on animal data, it offers a plausible biological mechanism whereby higher-than-normal T impacts vascular health.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/1/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:00 pm to Oates Mustache
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TRT is literally just a term while the substance utilized can take you far above natural..
No it isn't at all. It's literally Testosterone Replacement Therapy
I always heard the gel is inconsistent and can give you higher levels than desired. How accurate is that?
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:03 pm to stout
I have no clue. My point is just that guys that get on TRT, under the supervision of a physician, are just replacing what should be there in their age range. Maybe people are arguing different points in this thread.
I have heard that shots are more consistent, less peaks and valleys than gels, but nothing about gels themselves not being consistent.
I have heard that shots are more consistent, less peaks and valleys than gels, but nothing about gels themselves not being consistent.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:05 pm to stout
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Elevated hematocrit was the most consistent side effect
This one is true. The cure is to give blood every 8 weeks. It's a win/win.
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:06 pm to stout
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This transformation was something I was really hungry to do," the former wrestler said during a Sept. 1 press conference for the film, per The Hollywood Reporter. “I had been very fortunate to have the career that I’ve had over the years and to make the films that I’ve made, but there was just a voice inside of me, a little voice that said, ‘Well, what if I could do more—I want to do more and what does that look like?'”
Stout:
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Some speculation that he has heart disease
Looks like he lost the weight for the smashing machine role
Sorry you guys don’t get too celebrate his declining heart health from the evil TRT and sushi Sundays
Posted on 9/1/25 at 1:06 pm to Oates Mustache
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My point is just that guys that get on TRT, under the supervision of a physician, are just replacing what should be there in their age range. Maybe people are arguing different points in this thread.
And most, if not all, could get their T levels to normal with diet/exercise, but they wouldnt get the added muscle benefit.
The whole point of this debate was that weve reached a point where folks who dont exercise or eat right get prescribed TRT based on flimsy and/or made up conditions by very willing doctors then turn around and try to convince people it was all done on the up and up.
Additionally, when questioned, they have every excuse in the world for why its legit.
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