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re: Israel–Hamas War Discussion Thread: News Links On First Page
Posted on 11/18/23 at 10:35 pm to OchoDedos
Posted on 11/18/23 at 10:35 pm to OchoDedos
A 5 day pause would be a huge benefit to the Israelis . They have been running 24-7 for 6 weeks and have a huge inventory of intelligence data to process for the next steps. Planning during those 5 days will be round the clock. Palestinians having 5 days of quiet to think may be encouraged to fold their tent.
Watch for Palis throwing rockets and mortors during that period. Absence would be a good sign. Hezbola in Lebanon and syria could f-ck things up, but would invite a load of reprisals
Watch for Palis throwing rockets and mortors during that period. Absence would be a good sign. Hezbola in Lebanon and syria could f-ck things up, but would invite a load of reprisals
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Posted on 11/19/23 at 11:34 am to Trevaylin
@IsraelRadar_com
Xwitter
@N12News
Xwitter w/ video of the entrance to the tunnel and inside the first part of this tunnel system
Yeah, I want no part of going into those tunnels.
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IDF sees indications of large tunnels below Gaza hospitals and main Hamas strongholds; underground sites include weapons production factories & command centers; engineering forces map tunnels, send dogs to detect explosives before sending in troops. via @ynetalerts
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IDF discovers tunnel shafts & bunkers at Gaza's Shifa hospital; army proceeds slowly & cautiously as some underground spaces have fortified doors; Israel fears they may be booby-trapped & trigger explosions below hospital; more info classified for now. via @N12News
Xwitter
@N12News
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Special documentation: IDF reveals a 55-meter Hamas terror tunnel beneath Shifa Hospital, equipped with defensive measures like trapdoors and shooting slits. A camouflaged vehicle concealed its exit, which was exposed after detonation.
Xwitter w/ video of the entrance to the tunnel and inside the first part of this tunnel system
Yeah, I want no part of going into those tunnels.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 12:06 pm to LegendInMyMind
The Times of Israel
ETA: Operstions are still ongoing at and around the Shifa hospital. The uptick in arrests/capture of Hamas terrorists is largely contributed to those operations. The public pressure from the media (and even the UN, which called the hospital a "death zone" in a recent report after they were allowed to tour the hospital) has predictably ratcheted up. The realities of the operation in/around the Shifa hospital continue to come out gradually, and connecting dots shows that there was, in fact, a large Hamas presence in that area. That doesn't stop the media push, however.
All of this was predicted well in advance by people who follow Hamas operations and Gaza closely. A similar script was followed back in 2014.
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IDF, Shin Bet say they have arrested over 100 Hamas operatives in Gaza in recent days
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The Shin Bet security agency and the IDF’s Military Intelligence Directorate’s Unit 504 — which specializes in HUMINT (human intelligence) — arrested more than 100 terror operatives in the Gaza Strip in recent days, including members of Hamas’s Nukhba forces who participated in the October 7 onslaught.
A joint Shin Bet and IDF statement says forces have been carrying out interrogations of suspects in Gaza, and have taken more than 100 operatives for questioning in Israel.
It says members of Hamas’s Nukhba forces, rocket array, sniper array, explosive experts and logistics officers were arrested, and in their interrogation, they provided information on the locations of the terror group’s tunnels and weapons caches.
ETA: Operstions are still ongoing at and around the Shifa hospital. The uptick in arrests/capture of Hamas terrorists is largely contributed to those operations. The public pressure from the media (and even the UN, which called the hospital a "death zone" in a recent report after they were allowed to tour the hospital) has predictably ratcheted up. The realities of the operation in/around the Shifa hospital continue to come out gradually, and connecting dots shows that there was, in fact, a large Hamas presence in that area. That doesn't stop the media push, however.
All of this was predicted well in advance by people who follow Hamas operations and Gaza closely. A similar script was followed back in 2014.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 12:33 pm to LegendInMyMind
@AJEnglish
Xwitter
@IDF
Xwitter
Unless they hijacked another ship, this happened yesterday and I missed it, but everyone is reporting on it within the past hour or so.
Xwitter
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Yemen’s Houthis say they have seized a cargo ship reportedly owned by an Israeli businessman in the Red Sea, with Israel describing the incident as an 'Iranian act of terrorism'
Xwitter
@IDF
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The hijacking of a cargo ship by the Houthis near Yemen in the southern Red Sea is a very grave incident of global consequence.
The ship departed Turkey on its way to India, staffed by civilians of various nationalities, not including Israelis. It is not an Israeli ship.
Xwitter
Unless they hijacked another ship, this happened yesterday and I missed it, but everyone is reporting on it within the past hour or so.
Xwitter
Posted on 11/19/23 at 12:35 pm to LegendInMyMind
@Israel_Alma_org
Xwitter
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Israel is just an excuse. This is exactly what the Iranians wanted. Taking over areas through proxies that operate everywhere and threaten the routine of the free world. During the last day, the Houthis hijacked a merchant ship sailing in the Red Sea on its way to India. According to them, it's an Israeli ship. There are no Israelis onboard. The crew members are Ukrainians, Bulgarians, Filipinos and Mexicans. The ship operates under the Bahamian flag. The ship is originally partially owned by an Israeli businessman through a British company but is leased to a Japanese company that operates it completely and independently. What starts in the Middle East does not end in the Middle East.
Xwitter
Posted on 11/19/23 at 12:59 pm to LegendInMyMind
Now we’re talking. 
Posted on 11/19/23 at 1:06 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 11/19/23 at 1:19 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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Now we’re talking.
You caught some shite in this thread for your playing devil's advocate on this. I agreed with you on the premise and reasoning. I also expected a muted amount of tangible proof as the IDF moved in. Hamas just had too much time to vacate the area. They still didn't have the time needed to completely sanitize the area, and I imagine the humanitarian corridor reluctantly established by the IDF worked to Hamas's benefit to a degree.
I feel confident enough now, though, to believe that the IDF had sound enough reason to focus on Shifa hospital. They'll continue to get bashed in the media, as nothing will ever be sufficient for them, but they should be commended in not using the heavy-handed approach of first leveling the hospital and surrounding area. They could have easily made that decision and then gone in to pick through the rubble and tie up loose ends.
Despite the confounding condemnation, it looks like this was the correct plan for a needed mission.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 1:31 pm to LegendInMyMind
They have also gained the CCTV footage from the hospital
Valuable to see hostages being brought in as well as identifying Hamas fighters to target
Valuable to see hostages being brought in as well as identifying Hamas fighters to target
Posted on 11/19/23 at 1:42 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
Anyone know why Hamas would release the 4 hostages that they did the other week? Is that simply their families brokering a deal independently?
Also, anyone know how heavy the ground fighting has been vs. these Palestinian groups? Seems like the terrorists are hiding & running more than fighting.
Also, anyone know how heavy the ground fighting has been vs. these Palestinian groups? Seems like the terrorists are hiding & running more than fighting.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:02 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
PR. Makes it look like they were working together.
Or the faction that had them didn't possess the desire to hold nor kill them.
Or the faction that had them didn't possess the desire to hold nor kill them.
This post was edited on 11/19/23 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 11/19/23 at 2:15 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Yeah, I want no part of going into those tunnels.
That's what dogs and rov's are for
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:12 pm to UFownstSECsince1950
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Anyone know why Hamas would release the 4 hostages that they did the other week? Is that simply their families brokering a deal independently?
I don't think it was the families. The US was quick to tout its back channeling work with Qatar to get that deal done and the Israelis emphatically made it known that they had no part in the negotiations by repeatedly stating, "The Americans are negotiating...."
As to why Hamas released them? That's wholly PR and manipulation.
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Also, anyone know how heavy the ground fighting has been vs. these Palestinian groups? Seems like the terrorists are hiding & running more than fighting.
The IDF has been smart with how they have advanced into Gaza. They have good intel and they're using it. The most valuable tool they've had in this are those armored bulldozers. They've used them in advance of the ground troops to create outposts surrounded by berms. They operate and advance from those secure areas.
When they get resistance they don't seem to fully engage, but instead they fall back and call in airstrikes. Fighting/resistance picks up near stronghold areas, but there hasn't seemed to have been any major, drawn out battles.
Then, there are the ongoing clashes in the West Bank that the extent of seems to have taken some outside observers by surprise, that's focused primarily around Jenin and a "refugee camp" that has been the site of multiple strikes and raids.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 3:17 pm to Bobby OG Johnson
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They have also gained the CCTV footage from the hospital
Valuable to see hostages being brought in as well as identifying Hamas fighters to target
They've been steadfast since early on in stating that Hamas retreated to Shifa hospital with some of the hostages. The exact words were that terrorists "poured into" the hospital following the Oct. 7 attack. I think some of that is either satellite evidence or intelligence contacts, maybe drone video, too. That evidence would have been passed on to the US, which has never publicly questioned the IDF's allegations of Shifa being a major base for Hamas.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:15 pm to LegendInMyMind
This is what hamas always counts on.
Retweeting this supposedly got a New York Oncologist suspended from seeing patients recently.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:46 pm to dallastigers
@AvivaKlompas
Xwitter
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The Al-Ghad Egyptian news outlet cited a “Hamas source” saying that a pause in fighting in Gaza is slated to come into effect at 11a.m. as part of an overall hostage release deal.
Israeli officials have denied this report.
Xwitter
Posted on 11/19/23 at 5:51 pm to LegendInMyMind
Is this new or already reported?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12768215/Hamas-hostages-CCTV-al-Shifa-hospital-IDF.html
Regardless the left will probably say this is proof of hamas just transporting injured to get treatment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12768215/Hamas-hostages-CCTV-al-Shifa-hospital-IDF.html
Regardless the left will probably say this is proof of hamas just transporting injured to get treatment.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:06 pm to dallastigers
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Retweeting this supposedly got a New York Oncologist suspended from seeing patients recently.
I respect him for always fighting a cancer.
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:29 pm to dallastigers
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Is this new or already reported?
I haven't seen it.
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Regardless the left will probably say this is proof of hamas just transporting injured to get treatment.
The logical response to that would be, "Okay, where are the hostages now?".
Posted on 11/19/23 at 6:53 pm to LegendInMyMind
quote:a. I imagine Iran bought some. Not sure if they were able to smuggle them out.
The logical response to that would be, "Okay, where are the hostages now?".
b. Probably smuggled some south to try and keep them longer
C. a good many buried in the rubble around the northern Zone.
D. They need to sift the ashes in that hospitals incinerator for teeth and Bone fragments
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