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re: Is white privilege a real thing?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:05 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:In fairness, you're very 1st reply to me certainly was a disagreeing with the stance.
you're either completely ignoring what i'm saying or creating one massive straw man
From there, most of what you've said have been points to support my stance, you just changed it from white privilege to black disadvantage. Both of those still prove the point in my very 1st question you answered in this thread.
So there's that...
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Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:06 pm to WILDTURKEYisgood
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Being white is a disadvantage in many instances... Lower ACT requirement for minorities... Also, the best man doesn't always get the job when different races are involved. Ive had a few white friends that were told they were the wrong color after trying to get on at the fire station.
This is pretty much the case for virtually every government job.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:07 pm to Maverick01
quote:
A group of people are enslaved for over 250 years, and you think that there aren't some far reaching effects from that havng taken place?
perspective is needed
far reaching effects as far as say, the top 1%? yes. agree 100%
far reaching effects as far as reaching middle/upper middle class? no. disagree fully
quote:
You honestly believe the problem of equality has been fixed in less than 60 years?
equality will always be a problem for a free society. liberty breeds inequality
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My ancestors were stripped of their culture and way of life. Whole families were torn apart.
and how does this affect you in 2016? serious question
do you think you'd still be using the same culture that your ancestors were promoting 300 years ago?
does this really exist anywhere on earth?
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:07 pm to Maverick01
well if your ancestors were slaves they were probably told to white Europeans by a rival tribe that had already enslaved them.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:07 pm to shel311
quote:
It's a shame we couldn't just have an option that says treated everyone you don't know the same(or on their actual merits)
We can do that. That doesnt really bode well for Michael Brown, Freddie Gray, or Alton Sterling, though.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:08 pm to Maverick01
quote:
Being privileged passing judgment on the underprivileged makes you look like a sanctimonious prick.
You missed my point completely.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:08 pm to shel311
quote:
In fairness, you're very 1st reply to me certainly was a disagreeing with the stance.
From there, most of what you've said have been points to support my stance, you just changed it from white privilege to black disadvantage.
my first post in this thread
quote:
and that's why i like this issue described as "black disadvantage" more than "white privilege"
i haven't "changed" anything. my point has been clear since post 1
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:08 pm to shel311
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That just begs details!!!
I mean I partly knew what I was getting into because my now wife told me her dad didn't like black people. We were young though and didn't care about his wishes. Her mom knew and was awesome about it, they tried to hide it from her dad but he eventually got word and just about man-handled my now-wife for it saying "oh so you love n-words now" yada yada. She told him we broke up even though we didn't and two years later during her last year in college she told him the truth and how much she loved me and he realized losing his daughter over it would be stupid. Me being successful probably had something to do with it too. We finally met after that conversation with his daughter, I got his blessings for marriage, and now we have a great relationship.
This post was edited on 7/9/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
equality will always be a problem for a free society. liberty breeds inequality
Alexis de Tocqueville
This post was edited on 7/9/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:10 pm to Maverick01
Jesus,
Again what does that have to do with e-filing an app for Financial Aid, filing to go to college (WHERE ITS UP TO YOU TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS)? They give money out without a peep as long as you make less than the given amount.
Getting a job in retail? Food Industry? Working hard and going to college to ascend to a career?
TELL ME HOW SOMETHING 50 years ago effects YOU TODAY? With everything I just pointed out?
Want to know something shocking??? My father would not of passed the brown paper bag test back in the 1950's and 60's. Half of my family is of a combination of Coonass and African American. Yet there is multiple members of my family who are successful today and do great things. That DON'T use victimization as a crutch and reasoning to be pathetic.
Again what does that have to do with e-filing an app for Financial Aid, filing to go to college (WHERE ITS UP TO YOU TO MEET THE MINIMUM STANDARDS)? They give money out without a peep as long as you make less than the given amount.
Getting a job in retail? Food Industry? Working hard and going to college to ascend to a career?
TELL ME HOW SOMETHING 50 years ago effects YOU TODAY? With everything I just pointed out?
Want to know something shocking??? My father would not of passed the brown paper bag test back in the 1950's and 60's. Half of my family is of a combination of Coonass and African American. Yet there is multiple members of my family who are successful today and do great things. That DON'T use victimization as a crutch and reasoning to be pathetic.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:12 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:Damn, that's a cool ending to the story!!! Probably took a lot of self restraint for both you and him in the end(you being justified, his not so much but you get the point).
I mean I partly knew what I was getting into because my now wife told me her dad didn't like black people. We were young though and didn't care about his wishes. Her mom knew and was awesome about it, they tried to hide it from her dad but he eventually got word and just about man-handled my now-wife for it saying "oh so you love n-words now" yada yada. She told him we broke up even though we didn't and two years later during her last year in college she told him the truth and how much she loved me and he realized losing his daughter over it would be stupid. Me being successful probably had something to do with it too. We finally met and now we have a great relationship.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:12 pm to 50_Tiger
Black privilege is real not white privelege
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:13 pm to ole man
quote:
Black privilege is real not white privelege
it is interesting to discuss privileges of black people
but that comment is a bit absurd for a number of reasons
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:16 pm to shel311
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Damn, that's a cool ending to the story!!! Probably took a lot of self restraint for both you and him in the end(you being justified, his not so much but you get the point).
It's a ton of irony in that me and my wife are more successful than her parents, relationship wise and financially wise which was his biggest negative view about blacks (that and the perceived perceptions of his daughter from others).
This post was edited on 7/9/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:21 pm to SlowFlowPro
This is a stupid argument started and led by racists and SJWs
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:22 pm to Hammertime
it is a concept with some merit that has been hijacked by progressives to promote a terrible policy goal
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:29 pm to trom83
Until certain communities start ostrizing people who commit atrocities instead of glorifying them as hood stars, the perception is going to take a long time to change.
The OJ documentary was very telling. A juror said point blank they found OJ not guilty as revenge for Rodney King. That encapsulates the mind state of "us vs them".
There are no short cuts to eliminating prejudice. It's a slow process that starts with holding people in each community accountable for their actions, and have the shared mindstate that committing crimes hurts their community as a whole.
When statistics have consistently been showing by a wide margin that a small fraction of citizens are committing the bulk of violent crime, it's going to create a bias. And it's a vicious cycle.
So if people are going to resort to "tribalism", the best place to start would be cleaning up their own "tribe" and change behaviors. That in turn will change the statistics, which then will gradually reduce biases others may have based off of them.
The OJ documentary was very telling. A juror said point blank they found OJ not guilty as revenge for Rodney King. That encapsulates the mind state of "us vs them".
There are no short cuts to eliminating prejudice. It's a slow process that starts with holding people in each community accountable for their actions, and have the shared mindstate that committing crimes hurts their community as a whole.
When statistics have consistently been showing by a wide margin that a small fraction of citizens are committing the bulk of violent crime, it's going to create a bias. And it's a vicious cycle.
So if people are going to resort to "tribalism", the best place to start would be cleaning up their own "tribe" and change behaviors. That in turn will change the statistics, which then will gradually reduce biases others may have based off of them.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:31 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
do you think you'd still be using the same culture that your ancestors were promoting 300 years ago?
This question alone completely validates my way of thinking in regards to racism in this country. You're now trying to justify slavery by basically implying, given the current state of affairs in Africa, blacks are better off having been made to endure several hundred years of slavery and discrimination. How sickening. It is truly an effort in futility to discuss this topic with you any further. Your disconnect lies in not being black, and not having the same history. All you can do is speculate and surmise about something you will never adequately understand. The fact that you feel you have the authority and experience to make the statement white privilege doesn't exist is the very definition of white privilege. You're telling black people who are experiencing these things first hand that they are wrong lol, and you the omniscient white man has it all figured out. Your sense of white superiority is showing. Better cover up.
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:34 pm to SlowFlowPro
Class privilege has merit. In the everyday world, black privilege has merit. White people get no leg up day in and day out.
Wanna start getting rid of racism? Take race off of every single application you have to fill out, take away minority scholarships, take away affirmative action and equal opportunity employment. We can all agree that those are textbook examples of black privilege
Wanna start getting rid of racism? Take race off of every single application you have to fill out, take away minority scholarships, take away affirmative action and equal opportunity employment. We can all agree that those are textbook examples of black privilege
Posted on 7/9/16 at 12:35 pm to Maverick01
Glad you are avoiding my retort.
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